The Belated Christmas Post

Eh. The tsunami disaster had me feeling that it is rather unsuitable to blog for the past few days. But anyway, I decided that amidst all that grief life still needs to go on, so might as well do what we can for the victims (like donating: Mr Brown teaches how) and move on.

So, what did you do for Christmas (a tad late but I was BUSY lah)?

I was rather traumatized one day before Xmas eve because I had no plans for the said day.

- Eileen is going to Zouk because of Digweed and tickets cost some ludicrous price which I am unwilling to pay for.
- Wanyi in HK.
- Eekean in Batam.
- June with BF.
- Eileen Wee in Bangkok.

As a last attempt to get some exciting plans for the day, I asked my mum and brother where they are going on Xmas - maybe there was some family activity that I can pretend to grudgingly attend (for people which no friends on Xmas are, erm, losers, right?). Family activities are good for festive seasons because you can always kick up the excuse of filial piety and simply that you were forced to attend and act like you are not simply left out of more glamourous parties.

My mum chirruped that she had two parties to attend to and she dunno which to go to etc blah blah, and commenced with wrapping presents for the people who will be there. She asked, "You leh?" and smirked while I said I have nowhere to go to.

There is something very wrong with this picture.

1) My mum is more popular than me. She is forty+ and OLD. She has kids. She is fatter than me*. She has wrinkles!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD!? Why ain't I, Singapore's famous pink Blogger, invited to grace important parties of the rich and good-looking? WHY?!!!! (Actually was invited to some but had no one to go with me and thus rejected)

*Claims she is anyway. When reminded that my waist is 22.5inches and hers is 26, she argued that fatness is not measured by waist measurements and would I please look at my thunderthighs.

2) My mum is wrapping presents for other people's kids. When Smelly (bro, 11 years old) and I reminded her of the irony of the situation, she retorted that she gave me my computer, which costs $999, and that is good enough for a very substantial Xmas present. I told her she bought the computer to stop me from hogging her computer (also new, Pentium 4).

She simply rolled her eyes and said that I am not getting any presents for the next 3 years.

As a super last resort, I asked my brother if he were staying at home.

To my utter horror, he said he is going to church.

Let me first specify: I have nothing against Christianity, or any religion, for that matter. However, nobody in the Cheng family has ever been a Christian, least of all Smelly - I once heard him declare very loudly that God does not exist.

Hmmm...

I was so appalled but that little snippet of unexpected information (shall explain why I am later) that I dislocated my neck as I turned around to ask Smelly why he suddenly decided to be a Christian. Being the evil sister I am, I snidely added, "Why, you found God hiding behind a Christmas tree ah?"

My brother rolled his eyes at me, but being the true Christian he is, was patient and kind. He graciously pardoned my insolence, and continued with a simple, "Because Barnabus asked me to go to church."

(Barnabus is classmate cum best friend and also avid lover of ps2 games.)

"Cheh! Siao. He ask you go then you go. You really believe God exist meh?"

"Yes."

"Last time you didn't say that lor hor. Prove it."

My brother kept quiet. My mum, frowning upon the melodrama unfolding, interjected.

"Oei girl! You are being very rude you know. Religion is good what, it teaches good values."

"Yeah right, then go be Buddhist? How about being Muslim? Hindu? Why must be Christian leh? And anyway, where got people just because it teaches good values then go believe in a religion one? Utter rubbish."

My mum pulled my brother away from me - now in a very aggressive mood indeed - to commence with other mundane things like pre-Xmas TV.

I feel extremely agitated. Something is really not right here. The way my brother so defiantly said, "Yes." to "Does God exist?" really, really pissed me off. The way he answered so confidently, so unquestioningly.

A few months ago, he was so sure God doesn't.

I hate it. I hate it when people have blind faith in things without questioning. I am not saying that God doesn't exist; he might. But up till today, there is no concrete proof, stripped of any form of blind faith, that he does. For example, him descending right on top of the Esplanade and exclaiming, "Screw you atheists, I EXIST!"

However, after a visit to the church, my brother was, dare I say, brain-washed. So thoroughly brain-washed, that he brushed off his sister's opinion - a first since my brother always values my views.

Great, I thought to myself. The first thing Christianity brings him is unrest in the family. You Christians may argue that it is MY issue and that I should believe in God like my wise-beyond-his-years brother, but here's my argument: I do not believe in God because I have not seen him, nor felt him. I refuse to indulge in blind faith. And therefore, if He really wants to solve the problem here, he should appear in my dreams or something (Esplanade gracing too much to hope for for little insignificant me). But no! I dreamt of ... I can't remember but there was certainly no bright lights and Zeus-like creatures.

Alright, some of you might be angrily spewing now: "Then how can you accuse your brother of blind faith, and be so sure God didn't personally touch him in, erm, his house (aka church)?"

Because I asked. I asked him if anything has proved to him that God exists. He kept quiet. Then I pressed on, "So you just when to church, sang songs, and tadah! your perception of life changes?"

He said yes!

My god. Oops, inappropriate expression. How then, you may ask, is one considered reasonable when they believe in religion?

I personally believe religion is fabricated by man, but let's take in account a story I have heard.

Shengrong's dad is a devout Christian. Shengrong's mum is not. The Ng family has 3 kids. According to what SR told me, his mum dreamt of angels telling her to believe in Christ after her first delivery. She brushed this off, until it happened again during her 2nd and 3rd pregnancy.

She was then convinced, and was a devout Christian since.

If anything like that happened to me, I'd be a Christian too. If something of that magnitude happened to Smelly, I'd say it is logical for him as well. But the only reason I can think of for him being a Christian is because his friends all go to church with him. WTF.

Let me continue about my displeasure regarding a family member suddenly turning pious. It is not my business, some of you might say, that my brother decides his own religious path. You cannot blame me for being paranoid.

More than once, stable friendships have been ruined because of my refusal to enter any church, especially City Harvest. I remember this primary school friend of mine called Shufen. We lost contact, and through Friendster, we met again.

I was especially gleeful because she was my primary school best friend.

However, the reunion did not go well. She kept sprouting Christian issues to me, saying nonsense like I am too conceited (which I am) and that God would help me cleanse my sins and I can fly with eagles or something like that. Throw in random words like blessed, lamb, angels, whatever. I almost puked.

Being the nice polite girl I am, I benignly refused, saying I have my own reasons, and I am not about to embrace Christianity.

She sent more aggressive smses, 3 at one time. I vaguely remember being on a date at that time and was supremely annoyed by her relentlessness.

My second polite refusal was refuted by the blind faith she tried to impose on me, and by the third I told her if she were to keep up this behaviour there was no way I can remain friends with her.

I cannot remember clearly what she said, but it was very offensive - something about me going straight to hell (as if it is up to her to decide. Pui.) for my denial, and that such a horrid person like me is definitely not worthy as a friend.

I was so vexed by the whole issue that I asked her if it is worth it for her to sacrifice a friendship - something so obviously THERE and existing - for something which she is not even sure exist.

Can't remember her answer. Bet it involves cherubs.

So anyway, I am scared that something like this will happen between my brother and I. I have heard somewhere, correct me if I am wrong, that Christians are supposed to convince everyone they know to convert.

How long will it take for Smelly to do that? I can imagine a huge quarrel coming up.

I know this blog entry is long, but let me blog this religion issue out once and for all. The one main reason why I refuse to believe in Christianity (only tried said religion, so I am talking about it. Not discrimination) is because I do not see why I should let me people tell me what to do.

Take for example Shufen. Who is she to tell me how to live my life and that I'd go to hell? She heard these information from Jesus? Why can't Jesus tell me himself? Just because priests spend their lives studying the bible doesn't mean that they are necessarily close to God than I am right? (If you say they are, where's the proof?) So who are they to teach me what to do? Who are they to lecture me on how I should treat my parents? Have they led a wiser life than I did? Are they even smarter than me? Do I fuck little boys in church?

Speaking of telling people what to do... I remember this once, I went into a miracle healing church. People who are handicapped were made to walk again there, with the power of so many people praying for them (why did God make him handicapped in the first place if he is about to retract his decision?).

After the hymns and all, the "newcomers" were invited to go to the front, stand in a circle, and hold hands or something.

With the power of hundreds praying, the newcomers were supposed to feel a spasm of some sort. Knees go weak, heard voices, that sort of thing.

Sounds interesting, I thought. I went ahead. Take note: I wasn't skeptical. I truly wanted to feel the clairvoyant vibrations.

They chanted, and soon after, almost everyone in the circle was trembling like we were in the north pole. Was it me, or did the helper look pleased with himself? Anyway my verdict is that I didn't feel anything at all.

We were then asked how we felt, and almost everyone there said they felt something of some sort. Only I felt nothing.

The helper stopped at me, and asked,
"Did you feel yourself shaking?"

"No."

"How about feeling a weak sensation at your stomach?"

"No."

"Weak at the knees?"

"No."

"Oh, then you must have heard some voices?"

"No leh."


By this point of time I was blushing crimson. Everyone was looking at me like I was some freak that God left out.

I felt very compelled to lie and said that God personally told me he loves me, but the situation here strongly reminded me of that stupid primary school game called "Bi xian" (Pen Deity?) where either you or the other primary schooler moves the pen and everyone pretends to be amazed as the pen gives answers. I told myself I was too old to play games like that.

The helper asked one last question:
"Did you feel anything at all?"

"No."

"Never mind dear. Next time. Now please donate 10% of your salary to the church each month."


Ok not the last sentence.

I know ... Not all Christians are like that. There are many quiet believers who do not impose their views on others. I respect that. However, even if I ever believe in Christianity, I doubt I'd step into churches. What's wrong with reverence in the comforts of your own home?

Since I already said so much taboo stuff, I may as well add this: I am so irked by some silly Indian tsunami victims. They were praying so hard that another tsunami would not come. In actual fact, the STUPID Govt issued a bogus warning. There was no second tsunami.

See the irony here? If the Indians get reassured that there is no second tsunami, which of course there isn't, then they would credit their God, thinking it was their praying that worked.

May I ask, if praying works, then why did the first tsunami happen? Erm, to punish people who did not pray enough - and torture those who did by killing their family? To, erm, cleanse sins? Oh I get it! The dead victims get to be closer to God! I'll not heard more bollocks in my life, and I don't understand why people get taken in by this rubbish. How is it fair, may I ask, that we can praise the lord (yes I know Indian people do not believe in Christianity but I am saying hypothetically here) when he supposedly "stopped" the second tsunami, and we are not allowed blame him for making the first happen? How?!

Ok I am done with this very long entry. It may cause public outrage, but I read somewhere that almost everything causes public outrage and you cannot write anything without outraging at least one person.

Momo, during the Christian Smelly quarrel, warned me not to write about it because of the high public outrage factor. I don't really care. These are my honest thoughts - and I am not imposing them on you. I may be wrong, so if you want to correct me, please do so gently.

I am going to meet June and Clara, more more more blogging later, and sorry for the lag! Love ya all.

Hugs,
Wendy

UPDATED: Christians, my blog is not an avenue for your preaching. If you want to do so, do it elsewhere. I will delete all preaching 'comments'. Don't even get started on "If the atheists can talk about not believing God why can't we talk about believing Him?" Well, I just don't see why I should help promote Christianity. To me, that is like spamming. The atheists have nothing to gain on the other hand. And also the small fact that it is my blog - I hate preaching and I would not have it here. Cheers.

Comments

joanna said…
I understand how you feel when you said abt christians going all out to try and preach & persuade. It gets really very irritating and one just hope to stick a big fat maskin tape over his/her mouth right? :P

Me too, am not against religion. My mum's a buddhist, but im more like a free thinker. And i definitely fully support you in saying one shld not have blind faith. Anyway, wanted to post you a comment eons ago but my net kept going down. Take care and write more funny + bitching posts! I truely enjoy it :)

Yr blogder~
Darthsid said…
Finally,
someone famous who does not fear to mention
the poitically incorrect.

Although the topic has been discussed among plenty
of blogs, this is the first time I have heard it
being discussed be someone famous.

Bravo! I applaud you for your actions, and your
beliefs (?).

This should put most of the self righteous christians
in place.

Stop asking me to go to church! I believe there's a god,
I just don't believe in him.
Go away.

Pax Vobiscum.
Anonymous said…
being a Christian does not mean one will be free of suffering. as the name suggests, be like Christ...suffer but knowing that you are not suffering alone.

and yes, it may need a blind faith. but that is the beauty of it all.

and no, dont let people force you to accept Him. none other than you, yourself got to invite Him. own time own target (pardon the cliche).
Me said…
*clap clap clap*
i cant agree more!
:)
the_red_star said…
hmmmmm

mokay.
gd to hv u back and hearing u talk abt the tsunami.

i understand ur issues abt religion and stuff
how it divides pple
but hey! it brings pple tgt too eh?

btw u're confusing Christianity and Catholic here
(at least the paedophilic bits eh)


i hope things work out for u back home
Ediris said…
Your brother could just be curious to know more about church activities. Doesn't mean he's turning into a raving evangelist fanatic in the future. (Eh, he's not preaching God left and right to you, right?) The question here could be a matter of respecting your brother's decision, whatever reasons lie behind it. Forcing your own atheist views on people is not that much different from a Christian zealot forcing his version of God on everybody else.
Ivan said…
I am Christian, and I do find myself agreeing with Wendy on various points. True, what she has written may be offensive, but these are points that many have debated before, and frankly, many Christians still struggle with these issues, sometimes on a daily basis.

We will never know whether God had any power or influence over the tsunami disaster, and frankly, I think it's best we do not concern ourselves with that, and work towards alleviating the suffering of the survivors. But yes, I believe that absolute blind faith, without questioning, without grappling and struggling with the issues, can be very bad. Blind faith is what drives many Christians to oppose logical, rational thought and reasoning and go for silly theories and schools of thought, as long as said movement leads back to God in one way or another. (Abortion is murder! Kill all homosexuals! All unbelievers will burn in Hell! Evolution is evil!) Blind faith is as much an enemy of true Christians as it is of atheists and people of other faiths.

Anyway, I agree that many Christians can be overzealous in evangelising, often when they only have a very shallow understanding of what it means to be Christian. I feel that your former friend Shufen was a little too hasty - evangelising ought to be done on a step-by-step basis, slowly acquainting the person with God, and it all depends on the person's own decision, not by your coercion and pleading. I have many non-Christian friends, and while I do talk about God and all that when they ask me, I leave the decision to go to church entirely up to them. No point forcing people to do what you feel is the right thing.

As for your brother, well, just let him be. Just hope that he is going to church because he genuinely feels that God is there and has touched his life, and not because of the company. Too many people do that today. If he does preach to you, just listen with an open mind and heart, and do try to explain to him that if God really wants to save you, then He will do it in His own time.

Anyway, have a happy and joyous 2005. Keep us entertained with your blog always... =)

Hai~Ren
JOYCE said…
well. hope things are going well, but can't you give your brother a little space to explore? the beauty of our faith is when we can't see/touch, but choose to believe.
Ivan said…
And by the way, on another note...

This is a VERY, VERY sad example of Christianity so warped and perverted that even other Christians are turned off by it. Frankly this pisses me off greatly:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/dec2004/Tsunami_12-29-2004.pdf
http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jan2005/God_Hates_Fag_America_1-1-2005.pdf
http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jan2005/God_Hates_Fag_America_1-1-2005.pdf
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/faq.html#Tsunami

Dammit, I am ashamed that I am tarred by the very same brush as these xenophobic, narrow-minded bigots. Idiots like these give Christians everywhere a bad name.

Hai~Ren
JOYCE said…
well. i believe that a God does exist. If you do refuse to believe in the 'blind faith' -the beauty of unravelling the mystery and knowing more about Him. we were not garunteed free of suffering. only then (thru suffering) can God test our faith. over zealous evangilising my sometimes drive people away, but it should be done step by step.

DO take care! ((:
brightbluesky said…
BRAVO... i have yet to believe in any religion unless concrete proof is given :P thanks for voicing out for all the sensible pple out there who doesn't follow blindly... those tt need saving are the poor souls at CHC...
lotise said…
I can understand your anxiety when you found out your brother goes to church. Happened to me too, and many non-Christian families. Tales of Christians denying and even rejecting their non-believers family members strikes that fear. And your brother is still young and impressionable, and the lure of social support and warmth provided by a church can be the real factor instead of his own self beliefs.

Perhaps you should be more understanding and patient with him, and give him a bit more trust in maturing and finding his ways. Give some guidance, but avoid being too agressive. Might instead turn him away from you, making your worst fear realise.

Have a great year ahead, and blog on!
hack-saw said…
Have you ever wondered what happens after you DIE? Maybe you haven't touched or even SEEN the Bible. Have you read the content of it and realise how REAL it is - how it carefully states what happens in the world. In the Bible, it tells you THE SIGNS OF THE END OF THE AGE. It states: earthquakes, famines, wars, nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom... the tsunami was merely a SIGN OF THE END OF THE AGE. and as for the 2nd tsunami coming up.. how do you know it won't? God makes these things happen for a reason.

Science and religion have always clashed together. It came to a point when the Big Bang Theory was almost true. But did you not realise that for the world to even be created.. a very large source of energy had to be present?! And exactly, WHAT is this large source of energy? GOD.

Did you also not know that the NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE is the most reliable source in ALL of ancient history?
C. said…
Hi wendy, i believe hack-saw is a christian though. i am too, a christian and i think many people whom are a free-thinker or who are being 'pursued' to accept god (like what your weird friend from CITY HARVEST did.) might be thinking why didn't god (or jesus) stop this disaster since it would (had) cause such disastrous damage?

don't you think that everything happens for a reason? i do want to argue that its wrong to blame god or even something or whatever for another thing that had happen. if the world is at peace with no war, no natural disaster i think humans will be killing one another which they already are in an indirect way.

if its so, why not everyone in the world be rich. in that way, no one will steal or rob? there is so many unfairness but i don't think its up to us to decide it. its just fate and destiny that it happened this way. no one wants it either right?

good day.
Jon said…
so many posts which say so many things, angry, sad, logical, misdirected. got to agree with an earlier poster. go easy on yer bro. mebbe he's genuine. mebbe he's not. if the way of Christ is his destiny, he'll benefit and you'll see him grow into a stronger person as the days go by. if it aint, he'll fall on his face and learn a valuable lesson in life about his convictions. but its something he'll have to go through eventually.

and yeah, Shufen was way off line. Christianity is not about arm-twisting people into church. i think she really doesnt understand what Christianity is really about, or she wouldnt have been so strident. pity she blew a potentially good friendship to bits...
Lexie said…
Hrm, touchy issue (the Christianity part) here but close to the hearts of many people I bet. I am a convert, to Catholicism and it only happened somewhat 3 years ago. Prior to my conversion, I had tonnes of questions based on logic for the faith. And I just thought it would be nice to share a little (not too long... not trying to type a thesis here) on how I felt.

Yes, it takes "blind" faith because there is no way to have concrete examples to prove the existence of God and even if we have (as theologians would encyclopedic bash you with historical happenings that are credited to the works of God and nothing else), we (common, lay people) can never verify that it's not a part of evolution or something that's beyond our grasp. So from the 'dust of the earth's' point of view... It takes what they call "a leap of faith". And you can never experience that leap until you let your heart do so.

But on the other hand, once you have taken this leap of faith, you will no longer be blind. Somehow, your mind is opened and you somehow see logic in the beliefs. Don't ask me how... I've experienced the touch of God but it's nothing that can be penned down in words. It's an experience. I know I might sound real abstract here...but experience is abstract. I've never felt religion to be something concrete either. I've had my fair share of ups and downs when dealing with my faith in the religion... At the end of the day, it's a personal choice, nobody else's. I just know that it makes me a better person. Truely... :)

P.S. First time I've had a real inkling to leave a comment though I follow your blog closely. Think you've got yourself a real talent in writing there and you should pursue it... Keep it up gal.
Fenix said…
Hmmm... I'm a free-thinker... But... I do agree with your points though.. I mean... I dun think anyone has met god before.. And.. the bibles and stuff are all man written...


and anyway... I realli hate posers... Esp those veri persistance ones... They are.. Well.. Juz plain annoying... haha....


ANyway... Chill man... Anyone who wans to control your life and threaten you with friendship is not worth to be a friend.. So... Take care...
Auggy said…
Hack saw, tell me about dinosaurs =/
Aaron said…
Actually XiaXue, there is evidnce that what is said in the bible is true. THere is evidence, such as the dead sea scrolls.

I just pray that you would believe.

In not blind faith, but strong faith.
Shadow said…
i do agree with you..

when i was in sec school.. mi and a few was kind of the left outs.. reason? coz we did not go to CHC with the rest of the classmates. wu liao rite?

had to go church for CCA. and quite lame.. if u wanna promote to higher ranking, u nid to sacrifice ur sundays to help out in church, take bible class and all those things which i deemed that were useless to me.

best part of church, can see pple speaking in 'tongue' (i tink they juz chao keng themselves.... i dun feel a single thing... except that i'm extremely bored by the same repeat of songs they sings.. *yawnz*)

as for the 10%.. super LAME. who are they to order us to give them 10% of our pay? siao sia....
koon said…
hey xiaxue im an atheist juz like u...i had posted sometin similar on my own blog some time ago and someone asked me to read this.. the descartes oncological proof of the existance of god. it is incredibly chim stuff...but i tink given ur depth and ur strong grasp of the language.....tink u should be able to understand most of it.....yah....n hav a nice day
Shadow said…
Sry wendy.. to use ur blog as a conveying msg..

but i want to let hacksaw know that... regardless of what happens.. to me, the bible is juz a recorded history.

the future is unknown to all, and i do not want to bet my life onto someone that i cannot see,touch,feel,sense or whatever.

and to the person who was saying abt some hardcore christian trying to 'add' more to their list.. i agree also.

to belief, or not to belief. is up to the person alone. u can guide, teach a bit, share whatever experience u have, but PLEASE respect the person if he/she does not wants to belief in the same religion.

dun tell me that you want to throw this friendship away becoz ur friend dun want to follow u in ur religion...

then u mite as well move ur hse to church/temple/mosque/taoist shrine etc....
U-smiling said…
Hey Wendy, good stuff. you do make some christians reconsider their beliefs. it was tactful.

and shadow, you watch your words. she did it nicely but does not jump to conclusions/assume like you do.
If you know nothing about christianity, much less speaking in tongues, you should not have the rights to claim that people "chao keng". you probably offended 10 times more people than Wendy did, without a decent piece of writing to support.
Claris said…
i've seen cases like urs too. abt not being able to maintain the friendship due to some religion sandwich in between them.

i've heard stories that it always come from City Harvest.
About them being agressive, and that they declaring that there's only one god (jesus) in the world, and the rest of the gods from other religions are satans.

i personally feel it seems like it is christians that cannot embrace other religions with grace and understanding. all the talk about living in multi-racial, religion society.

sigh. well my personal point of view.

hey xiaxue! what u bought from HK? show it to all of us leh..
Ivan said…
Haha... I see you've sparked off a raw nerve here with many people.

I'd rather we not bring up things like the Big Bang, dinosaurs, and evolution, which have been proven by scientific research (creationist nonsense notwithstanding). I prefer to argue and debate about logic and reason, since this are entirely human features.

The thing is, the Bible MIGHT not be as accurate as we Christians would like it to be. Some in-depth research will show that there was considerable controversy when the Bible was first compiled, with many books being left out. Also, one has to consider that the books of the Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) were all written decades, if not centuries after the events within took place.

One also has to understand that the Bible was written in a patriarchal society, and I would not be surprised if the attitudes, worldviews, and prejudices of the writers themselves could be reflected in the words.

And personally, while I have no comment about Wendy's remarks, given that they are rational and tactful enough without being downright insulting, I am afraid I cannot say the same about some of the remarks left by some of the other blogders. There are many things we can never prove conclusively, and perhaps we can all argue until the cows come home. Some things will never be resolved conclusively until the end of time.

Hai~Ren
limboy said…
This Shufen fella's just one of the few billions on earth. Even if you lose this one, chances are you will get many-many other new friends --- maybe even better ones who don't promote their...ahem...religion.

Going to the main subject of this post, I had a similar experience. Unfortunately, it was a female friend who had gotten pretty closed (you know what i mean, eh?;-p). So after I had this particular blog post which detailed-ly peng ji Christianity, she saw it while goign thru my archives and gave me a piece of her mind saying that her god is above everything else, including friendships.

Naturally, this friend is no longer worth even to talk to.

As for your brother's sudden 'faith', I think might be the hormones thingy --- he has a 50% chance of growing out of it once he dong shi liao. SO you might want to wait it out, give a few years. Boys do grow tired of stuff, you know. heehee

Take care, and keep up the good job in your blogs!

~Shawn
Jayaxe said…
Hmmmm, this reminds me of the time when one fine day I suddenly realized that my bro became a Christian too. Why? Because of girlfriend who's a Christian as well. Same thing, I was like WTF too.

Then again, even as an atheist myself, I don't really frustrate myself on these things. I couldn't stop the people innit anyway.

So what I can say to them is... God bless you lor.
Anonymous said…
hack-saw: pls do not use this kind of tone, it kinda spoils the image of christians. what is it with all the threats of 'if u dont believe in god, when u die, u go to hell' kinda stuff. how do u know it is true? u've been there?

let ppl have their own way of thinking, if one were to believe, he will believe, no point threatening ppl to believe
Jx said…
yo hacksaw

can u list ur blog address here? think u will be a great source of entertainment..

you should try jumping out of the window.. mebbe ur faith will let u fly.. if not, and u plunge to ur death, maybe God made it so; it was meant to be.

nice post anyway.. kinda agree wif wad u said on extremists. continue voicing ur thoughts on these topics, and we as readers will support u all the way =)
doubleUei said…
sentiments exactly. =)) feel that some christians are just too agressive.maybe they just misinterpret what's in the bible. i believe that that's not what the pastors say in church? so yeahs, so let's just pray to all our gods that the Tsunami victims will just feel better ? or maybe everything will be fine in that world.. right ? =)
CheaYee said…
I've been following this blog for a while.
There really is nothing wrong with XiaXue in posting how she feels about the whole Christmas issue. It is her blog , and she reserves the right to write whatever she wants. That I agree with her.

I have been a Christian since I was 8 years old.
It was not blind faith that I converted, but I only initially did it because my family did.

However, many many years later, which is not too long ago, I decided to re-evaluate my life and I decided to finally accept Christ in my life and into everything I do.

No one forced me to do it. It was a decision that I finally came to make one day in my 25 years of living on Earth.

Having Christ in my life has been the most wonderful experience that I have ever had. Having Christ in my life is a walk with God that would take many years for me to understand His ways. Accepting Christ is the point of time, where I finally accept the fact that I NEED Him in my life.

People who accept Christ in their lives, are NORMAL humans, with flaws in their lives. I don't claim to be any better than other ppl in this world. I am NOT superhuman. I still have NEEDS and WORRIES like every other human. I still FAIL exams, if I don't study. I still Stomach-aches if I eat the wrong food. I still like to go out and watch movies. I still like shopping and buying clothes and shoes.

A person can only accept Christ in their life when he or she reaches a certain point of life. When God speaks to a person through any manner, the person's soul or spirit is convicted. It is ONLY with JOY that a person can ACCEPT Christ into their soul. There really is NO OTHER way. You cant force a person to accept Christ if the person is not interested or not bothered to listen.

I have to agree with XiaXue that there are many overzealous Christians out there. However, sometimes, these overzealous Christians, may not really know how to approach others in their attempt to try to deliver the message.

I have, being a Christian myself, sometimes been approached by them as well. Basically, there really is no need to get over anxious or worked up over them. If you don't like them, just be firm and tell them that you don't want. If they are mature enough, they will know what to do.

As for Christmas, I am not really sure why Xia Xue is so surprised that her bro is going to attend a church on Christmas Day.

Christmas is about Jesus Christ being born, and it is normal for Christians to invite their friends to go to church. If there was no Jesus, there wouldn't have been Christmas. Period.
What did u think Christmas was all about? CHRIST-MAS, do u see the cor-relation to that? :-)

As for HackSaw being *dared* to jump out of the window, Jesus was once *dared* to jump off a cliff because of what HE claims himself to be. One does not *dare* God using such silly dares. Thank You very much.

I have many friends who are atheists. They know my beliefs and I know theirs. We respect each other beliefs. I don't impose mine on them, and neither do they.
But just because I don't preach to them, it doesnt mean that I don't and can't PRAY for them.

If people can be tolerant of other religions, why not Christianity? I find it all very two faced and hypocritical.

Think about it.

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CheaYee said…
I've been following this blog for a while.
There really is nothing wrong with XiaXue in posting how she feels about the whole Christmas issue. It is her blog , and she reserves the right to write whatever she wants. That I agree with her.

I have been a Christian since I was 8 years old.
It was not blind faith that I converted, but I only initially did it because my family did.

However, many many years later, which is not too long ago, I decided to re-evaluate my life and I decided to finally accept Christ in my life and into everything I do.

No one forced me to do it. It was a decision that I finally came to make one day in my 25 years of living on Earth.

Having Christ in my life has been the most wonderful experience that I have ever had. Having Christ in my life is a walk with God that would take many years for me to understand His ways. Accepting Christ is the point of time, where I finally accept the fact that I NEED Him in my life.

People who accept Christ in their lives, are NORMAL humans, with flaws in their lives. I don't claim to be any better than other ppl in this world. I am NOT superhuman. I still have NEEDS and WORRIES like every other human. I still FAIL exams, if I don't study. I still Stomach-aches if I eat the wrong food. I still like to go out and watch movies. I still like shopping and buying clothes and shoes.

A person can only accept Christ in their life when he or she reaches a certain point of life. When God speaks to a person through any manner, the person's soul or spirit is convicted. It is ONLY with JOY that a person can ACCEPT Christ into their soul. There really is NO OTHER way. You cant force a person to accept Christ if the person is not interested or not bothered to listen.

I have to agree with XiaXue that there are many overzealous Christians out there. However, sometimes, these overzealous Christians, may not really know how to approach others in their attempt to try to deliver the message.

I have, being a Christian myself, sometimes been approached by them as well. Basically, there really is no need to get over anxious or worked up over them. If you don't like them, just be firm and tell them that you don't want. If they are mature enough, they will know what to do.

As for Christmas, I am not really sure why Xia Xue is so surprised that her bro is going to attend a church on Christmas Day.

Christmas is about Jesus Christ being born, and it is normal for Christians to invite their friends to go to church. If there was no Jesus, there wouldn't have been Christmas. Period.
What did u think Christmas was all about? CHRIST-MAS, do u see the cor-relation to that? :-)

As for HackSaw being *dared* to jump out of the window, Jesus was once *dared* to jump off a cliff because of what HE claims himself to be. One does not *dare* God using such silly dares. Thank You very much.

I have many friends who are atheists. They know my beliefs and I know theirs. We respect each other beliefs. I don't impose mine on them, and neither do they.
But just because I don't preach to them, it doesnt mean that I don't and can't PRAY for them.

If people can be tolerant of other religions, why not Christianity? I find it all very two faced and hypocritical.

Think about it.

www.cheayee.blogspot.com
tehtarik said…
Your blog struck me like,"Oh, I know exactly what this girl is talking about!" When I was 10, I remembered being dragged to church by my sister because our good friend has invited us. At the end of the program, we were given response slips and i wrote'Buddhist' in practically all columns so that i wouldn't anticipate any instantaneous conversion attempts on me.Not very smart move. They targeted on me because I'm "on the wrong path" For 10 years, i developed this phobia for church, but at the same time, I have this really negative perception of this 'colonizing' religion. In fact, so negative that I was notorious for being 'Christian-lashing'in my secondary school years. So, there is this really smart atheist, not very informant Catholic and pro-buddhism me sitting atthe corner of the class, whalloping our Catholic friend over her beliefs, and we really took advantage of her inconsistency in the bible knowledge. Wendy, I am now a Christian -defeated before God, but no longer lost.( No strange meaning intended here)Ha! I am now eating my own words. How I turned 365 degrees, only God knows. All i know is that, He doesn't even need to bat an eyelid for me to bow and kowtow a million times to Him. I now acknowledge that He is the Supreme High and that my being here is according to His purpose.Was I brainwashed? Many people think so, even my parents,but faith is not mere belief. It is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen and it is slowly revealed to me- in the Bible, in church and in my change of lifestyle. In the midst of a tragedy like the tsunami,whether you like or not, He has triggered something in you that made you turn to Him, maybe even for the very first time. You may question Him now by asking,"What kind of God is He to do this to us?" Well, if you seek, in time, you shall find and believe me, the answer will not fail you.
iciclesandsnow said…
I agree that Christianity ends up dividing families, because I've personally seen how one person became ashamed of all the deities her family has prayed to for generations. But there are many people who are the truly enlightened ones, who will allow their family members to believe whatever they want to, and who do not keep on insisting that others are going to hell.

Perhaps those who want to read a story on Science VS Christianity can read Dan Brown's Angels and Demons.

And as for the testaments, didn't they undergo lots of re-writing? If there was only one testament all this while and it accurately and precisely predicted everything then I have nothing to say, but the fact is that modern human beings have revised it time and again, so what's so amazing about it?

Every faith has its devotees, we shouldn't try to burst their bubble, nor should they try to convince us how damned the non-believers are.
Dopey said…
I think that even though you've written quite expressively and rather colourfully about your brother and his recent keeness on the church you'd still give your brother that freedom of choice and that you still love him, or else you won't be that concerned and upset by this latest piece of news right?

As for Christianity, i have just have three things to say... my friends who've been overseas and those who have lived almost their entire lives overseas have NOT met stronger pressure to join the church than in Singapore. I don't see why some Christians here have made it their life's goal to convert as many people as possible. I think if a person is going to believe in any religion, he'd be looking for more information about it and sea
Dopey said…
I think that even though you've written quite expressively and rather colourfully about your brother and his recent keeness on the church you'd still give your brother that freedom of choice and that you still love him, or else you won't be that concerned and upset by this latest piece of news right?

As for Christianity, i have just have three things to say... my friends who've been overseas and those who have lived almost their entire lives overseas have NOT met stronger pressure to join the church than in Singapore. I don't see why some Christians here have made it their life's goal to convert as many people as possible. I think if a person is going to believe in any religion, he'd be looking for more information about it and sea
Dopey said…
i'm so sorry, my browser is doing really queer things...

lemme continue...

I believe that person would be clamouring to go to church/temple/whichever place of worship for that religion. There's no need to go around coercing people to believe in something that they don't. Whatever happened to free will???

Second, interestingly, one particular religion is always spreading their faith around, while the other religion... requires people to climb up the mountain or watever and beg at the foot of the 'place of worship' and yet be turned away simply because 'mei you yuan fen'. isn't that interesting???

Third, I think that everyone should justleave each other to decide whether they want a religion or what religion they should believe in, afterall it's something personal, and we need to show each other more respect with regards to this.
Cheers, Fran (http://florecitos.blogspot.com)
Hazel said…
hi xiaxue

though im a catholic myself [NOTE THE STRESS ON CATHOLIC] i do hate it when ppl come up and say

Some Irritating Trying-To-Convince-ME-To-Be-A-Christian Person: Hey ms, would you like to join [yadda yadda] church? i promise you that you will be redeemed by god if you really strongly believe!

Me: *smiles sweetly and shakes head*

SITCMBACP: NO, I PROMISE YOU!!! YOU WILL BE REDEEMED!

Me: No thanks

SITCMBACP: I ASSURE YOU! YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT! YOU REALLY WILL.....

Me: *rools eyes and walks away while SITCMBACP continues yakking away*

So as you can see, I totally agree with people forcing others to be christians and stuff...

heehee

btw, your blog is a must on my list of favourite blogs! heehee
Airbag said…
The issue of religion is not logic but faith.
Good faith is what we need.
I recommend art.
Anonymous said…
I want to kiss the ground for your non-conformist, politically incorrect, and utterly frank post!

Regarding the whole religion thingy, my policy is: Live and let live. The world's Big enough for everyone.
Daniel said…
Woohoo! Nothing like a highly controversial post to kickstart the new year.

Arguments refuting X'tianity can be found all over the net, so I won't reproduce them here.

I'll just surmise by saying that there are too many inconsistencies in the bible, within itself, and with recognised Science, for me to take it seriously.

However, I do believe in a Universal God/Creator. Like someone here said, a great source of power was needed to catalyse the big-bang, and no one can explain where it came from.

This God is very different from the ones X'tians/Muslims believe in. He also does not participate in our lives.

When you understand why you dismiss the gods of others, you will also understand why I dismiss yours.


XX: your mum so high tech ah! got pentium 4...

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CheaYee said…
Teh Tarik!

Another Saul becoming a Paul!

He he.

You probably didn't change your name in the process as well ;-)
Jiexun said…
I loved this entry of yours. Alot of truth in it. More than the Bible itself...The Bible is more of a work of fiction than anything else. I've read it myself and it reminds me more of a scifi book.
The 10% income is the most senseless of all. I bet some pastor thousands of years ago added that in to boost his income. No other religion forces their believers to give money. Chinese temples just leaves a box there for you. Whether you donate or not is not important.
Buddihism preaches that as long as you do good deeds you will have good karma and will have good returns. Christianity however is different. You have to believe in their god. Otherwise you go to hell? So you do volunteer work every weekend helping needy people? You donate 1/2 your income to charity? You dun believe in jesus? Sorry, go straight to hell. Do not pass GO, do not collect Redemption.
None said…
Nice entry. Anyway believers and non-believers shouldnt be "bashing" each other, as long as no one steps over the line and be "irritating"...i think everyone can live in peace.

Everyone should keep in mind that "Money" & "Religion" does spoil relationships, friendships and even family if not handled properly.

Being tolerant is the key. =)
Fun Singapore said…
Personally I encounter alot of faith believers who do not practise their beliefs. However, I feel that it is better to have something positive to believe than not to have. You can call it spirit need and fulfillment if you want. The society can can hold itself through these beliefs.

The approach can be refined of course. You cannot doubt that it can be more trendy and upmarket to have a "angmo" belief. It can sometimes be imposing. If you do not like others to impose on you, do not do it unto others. We like to thank those with good intentions though.
CheaYee said…
XiaXue, I'm sorry u had to feel that way...

Your experience from the Christians and also whilst at the church.

However, apparently......You arent' the only person whom I have had this Particular SAME feedback from all these years.

It is not that ppl are intentionally doing it to annoy you. But, it was with best intentions. At least they're not Pushing you to buy their products and calling you endlessly on the mobile every night and day.

Just because you had a bad reaction to the to the Message, doesn't mean that your brother will hve the same experiences as well. He has a different calling.

So at least, respect your brother's decision. YOu wouldn't like it IF he did the same to you as well, isn't it?

Think about that.
lOi said…
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?".
And to all the christians in here? I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Tsk.

Food for thought, I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a decided lack of confidence
cake said…
I feel the same as you. I actually wrote about the subject on if whether there was a GOD why would he let so many people die?

I am irritated by people who keep asking me to go to church when i had a bad experience with church going. DAMN IRRITATING!
It's so bloody irritating!! I know they're trying to spread the gospel and stuff like that BUT I HAVE ALREADY TOLD THEM A HUNDRED GAZILLION TIMES I AM NOT INTERESTED!!!
GAH!

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zhenghong! said…
i personally understand what you are talking about EXACTLY.

i choose not to believe, because if i choose to become christian, im accepting the fact that MILLIONS OF AFRICAN KIDS WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD OF CHRISTIANITY would go to hell. as well as the HOLY, KIND, UNDERSTANDING great MONKS and PRIESTS of other religions who are more upright than most of the christians in the world... all going to hell.

if such good people would go to hell if i chose to believe, why should i?

a million years later, people might be worshipping some fantasy character from some storybook some author wrote today... you never know.

why do men feel strength from god? men can live without god as long as there is religion. its their own minds giving them strength
ali said…
Hello, i read your entry with great interest. What you have written well reflects the thoughts of many many misguided people.. misguided sometimes and unfortunately by "christians" themselves. It is not unique nor different from others (as you can probably tell from the rest of the comments).

All i can say is this: As with any other subject matter, it is essential that you understand fully the topic before discussing it. Writting your views on Christianity have merely shown many christians that you do not comprehend our beliefs and hence, are committing the fallacy of the Straw-man. (where you debate over a subject but give wrong information about the subject itself)

I am a Christian myself and i can safely say that i do not possess blind faith, nor do i believe in extreme churches who do not have biblical basis for the stuff they practise. i also find it very difficult to accept that a person can become a christian from some vague visions and feelings from attending church because then my question is this - do you even know what you are believing in.

My challenge to you is this: inform yourself of this faith before drawing any conclusions. Christianity is a faith that is most logical and scientific (people who claim that science conflicts with religion obviously believe in a very stupid god).

Lastly i leave you with this familiar joke: A university lecturer discussing philosopy with his students was trying to explain his athiest stand. "there is no god" he affirms. "why do i say that? can you see god? can you feel god? can you touch god? i cant therefore there is no god."

In response the student replied "sir, you have no brain. I cant see your brain, i cant feel your brain, i cant touch your brain. therefore you have no brain"

Do not be hasty in declaring that God does not exist. A simple study of science or mathematics will show the enormous complexity and patterns that obviously were the workings of a master planner. the whole universe is a perfect calculation of ratios that enable the circulation of the planets in harmony.

To be ignorant of the bible and its historical truths, as well as the intelligence of a God that created you is merely providing evidence of your own ignorance. Go and study the word for yourself and see if that will make a difference. If laziness of past "mere human caused" experience is detering you from finding out the truth, then please, dont jump to conclusions.
ali said…
Hello, i read your entry with great interest. What you have written well reflects the thoughts of many many misguided people.. misguided sometimes and unfortunately by "christians" themselves. It is not unique nor different from others (as you can probably tell from the rest of the comments).

All i can say is this: As with any other subject matter, it is essential that you understand fully the topic before discussing it. Writting your views on Christianity have merely shown many christians that you do not comprehend our beliefs and hence, are committing the fallacy of the Straw-man. (where you debate over a subject but give wrong information about the subject itself)

I am a Christian myself and i can safely say that i do not possess blind faith, nor do i believe in extreme churches who do not have biblical basis for the stuff they practise. i also find it very difficult to accept that a person can become a christian from some vague visions and feelings from attending church because then my question is this - do you even know what you are believing in.

My challenge to you is this: inform yourself of this faith before drawing any conclusions. Christianity is a faith that is most logical and scientific (people who claim that science conflicts with religion obviously believe in a very stupid god).

Lastly i leave you with this familiar joke: A university lecturer discussing philosopy with his students was trying to explain his athiest stand. "there is no god" he affirms. "why do i say that? can you see god? can you feel god? can you touch god? i cant therefore there is no god."

In response the student replied "sir, you have no brain. I cant see your brain, i cant feel your brain, i cant touch your brain. therefore you have no brain"

Do not be hasty in declaring that God does not exist. A simple study of science or mathematics will show the enormous complexity and patterns that obviously were the workings of a master planner. the whole universe is a perfect calculation of ratios that enable the circulation of the planets in harmony.

To be ignorant of the bible and its historical truths, as well as the intelligence of a God that created you is merely providing evidence of your own ignorance. Go and study the word for yourself and see if that will make a difference. If laziness of past "mere human caused" experience is detering you from finding out the truth, then please, dont jump to conclusions.
Jane Xie said…
it's funny how and why u like to bring up the my-waist-is-22.5inches-small fact and ur psLe score if u do remember. because i dont think u look that slim. -shrugs-

anyway, good ranting about the religion issues there. i would say, quite tactful in handling this sensitive issue. cool to hear u speak ur mind freely on such taboo issues. great guts uve got there, with that deceptive 22.5inch waist u've got there eh?
hornicole said…
Thank you Xiaxue, for saying everything i really wanted to say.
Anonymous said…
Just a comment:

How do I know God exists if I don't see/experience Him?

How do I know Kenya/Greenland/Pluto/[Insert a place u havn't been to before] exists if I havn't been there?

How do I know dinosaurs/dodobirds/sabretoothtigers existed if I havn't seen one before?

Faith.

Faith in the scientists who claim dinosaurs/dodobirds/sabretoothtigers once walked the earth.

Faith in the people who hav been to Kenya/Greenland/Pluto, books which talk abt Kenya/Greenland/Pluto.

Faith in the Bible which talks abt God & people who hav seen/experience His power.

Simply put, religion is abt Faith.
luv_xiaxue said…
??
Why does it always seem to be the same reason/excuse that 'Things happen for a reason' and no fault is questioned of Him thereafter? Doesn't this 'Things happen for a reason' just another easy answer to what you yourselves do not comprehend? And if in believing in the existance of God, does that mean u believe in the Devil himself too?
Anyway..just some thoughts =|
Gum said…
It is just ashamed that there are always the over-zealoued ones.

Remember, inviting Jesus into the house when he knocks on your door is as easy as opening it. But, you must do it by yourself and no one will be able to coax or help you with it.

Have fun!
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ZeroLaw said…
Inviting a sex-crazed robber to ur house is as easy as opening your door as well.

We cant live on faith, but we can live by using logic. You can use logic to catch fish, plant rice but u cannot use faith to expect beef to appear in front of you, or the sea will part so u can go and pick up the hopping fishes. Faith is just there to help us live a little better becos its blind ignorance, and as they say, ignorance is bliss.
Pea Brain Pun said…
With regards to the tsunami event, I think the rational explaination is that such disasters are inexplicable. Words attached to such an even could include "fate" or "luck", NONE of which explains WHY lives SHOULD be lost? In times like these, humans need hope. What better to turn to than an intangible like religion? In a way, it keeps hopes alive. Which is crucial for survival.
Watch the World said…
haha i would rather to hear more from u regrading the tsunami part
leapfrog said…
It made me really sad reading all those comments from people who agree with you. It means there are so many people who do not believe in God and share the exact same sentiments as you.

What's wrong with it?

To me, and I am trying to be as tactful as possible as I understand this is your blog thus a place to air YOUR views, your view on blind face has far too many loopholes to mention.

Did you know that REALLY firm disbelievers of God went so far to DISprove his existence by going through all historical records and religious documents in a crusade to prove to the world that there is no such thing as a God only to end up converting themselves? The evidence of his existence was too overwhelming for the extreme anti-christ to no longer believe.

You say you don't believe in God, you obviously do not since you can be rude talking about him. But in my opinion, you are just too lazy to believe in him. Being a follower of christ takes effort, its not easy, I struggle with it everyday. What you are doing is this, I dont believe in God! and then you shut the book and convince yourself by blogging.

All your doubts, your questions, every person has thought of one or another before. Its so hard to believe in something you cannot see. But have you ever bothered to try answering those questions? You may have, I'm not sure.

And have you ever wondered, whether or not you are even in a position to question God in the first place. Ah I hear you say you are not questioning him, how can u question something which does not exist right? You may not be directing a question to him word for word, yet your arguments on the occurence of the first tsunami shows a hint of questioning does it not? the truth is, we are in no position to question his actions. I cant come up with a more convincing answer. To me, he gave me life, he can take it back whenever and however he wants. No matter what he does I will love him, because no matter what shit things I did, he still loved me.

How do I know he still loves me? I just know. Which brings me to blind faith.

A verse for all unbelievers, the bible has a verse just for you.

Blessed you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

John 20:29

I was just wondering, WONDERING, whether your insistence of a sign from God is really your want and need to believe in him and your rigid human need for proof forcing you to demand a sign. Ah what Im trying to suggest is, could your outrageous demands for God to show you a sign before u believe in him really be just you desperately wanting to believe in him but yet you cant bring yourself to? This sentence is not structured properly, I know.

I am not trying to convert you, neither am i trying to impose my views onto you. I understand how Charismatic Churches can get rather aggressive.

I do however, violently disagree with you, and since this is your blog, instead of hurling demeaning comments, I will simply stop reading it.

One less reader, no big deal. Goodbye and good riddance some of you may say.

Touche, right back at you.
Nice post =)

An experience of mine which i wanna share. I was a freshie at NTU. And as u know, NTU is very near city harvest. So, before i started my brand new semester in NTU, i already heard stories like there are many city-harvest goers in NTU and somehow they managed to persuade many of the students to join them.

Alright this is what happened when i was having my medical check at NTU (south spine outside medical centre)

A (looks at my matric card): Hello! Oh, u freshman? so planning to join any orientation camps?

Me (being interested to know more friends and also sourcing for one orientation camp, i responded): oh yes, so ermm what choices do i roughly have?

A: oh! we are from City harvest church. So currently, to welcome the freshmen, we are having a camp in NTU (can't remember was it a camp or outing)So, may i ask which religion are u ?

Me(being not honest): oh free thinker (but i am buddhist)

at this time, another gal in blue which i shall call B walked towards us.

A: oh, ermm i think u should instill some faith in god since u are a free-thinker.

Me: oh i believe in science more than god *smiles broadly*

A: hmmm. wow. okie, maybe u can just make ur first step?

Me: maybe u can give me a brochure and details of the camp so that i can read on my own at home then i decide if i want to go?

A: oh okok good good.

(She starts to explain to me how the campy thingy and brought up the issue of religion!)

A: really hope to see u that day. Since i believe u are an uni student, so u should have a level of intellectual. So i believe u know who is the right choice.

Me: okie fine, see u

okie i was dammned angry and pissed becos of her last sentence.
must choose be christian then right meh? choose christian then means very intellectual la? then mean being buddhist or any other religion very stupid la? DUHzzzzz....
Jolene said…
good one xiaxue. thanks for speaking for so many of us. maybe it's the way that i've been brought up.. but I myself try to steer clear of any Christian events that my friends invite me to. It gets annoying when they keep asking you to come and come and come. The worst bit is when ABSOLUTE STRANGERS come up to you on the road side and start preaching to you about God under the hot sun and asking you to read a psalm or something with them.. and being an atheist(more towards Buddhism), I will definitely raise my eyebrow at such an act. I'm still cool about my friends preaching to me..i take it in my stride and tell them nicely that I am not going to change my mind and sort of give them the hint to STOP preaching to me coz I can't stand listening to it. But i really really really really hate it when absolute strangers just come up to me on the road side and go yada yada yada yada ..arghh
Ricky Chua said…
Me not Christian.

Me dislike religion.

BUT WAIT!! I do know my facts... after all i was from a Methodist School for 6 years from Sec sch to JC.

I no longer fall for the "God loves you and wants to save you" ploy... I'm not interested. I've heard so many versions of the same thing, inconsistent.

I have my own beliefs now. They are never fully true... not fully accurate. IT'S A BELIEF YOU IDIOT. It's a belief to us, because we have FAITH in our beliefs.

... and that's all. Nothing but FAITH.

So religion or no, no difference. Nothing's correct anyway. Just pick one belief you have faith in, and find your psychological solace there.

Verbal war will break out over this issue... because everybody's beliefs are different.

So why impose?

I don't want your God to save me. You think he's almighty but i don't think so. You think you're right but so do i.

Leave me alone before i impose my 666 on you. How would u like that?
N0thing_Much said…
Hi Wendy,

I m with you on this :-), my gf is a christian, I been convinced to convert everytime, after looking into bible and etc, christian is a good religion but it doesn't suit me and maybe you too.

Peoples NEED God, whether He exist or not is not important for us but its very important for them.

In China, few dynasties' Emperor claimed themselves as the Son of God and everyone in China do believe. That's the case with christian now, they need ONE powerful being to rule their life, to protect them and keep them save. There are so many contradictions in christian but that's all not important at all. They dont need that; Sometimes, blind is good :-)

Here is a tiny little funny story:

A fren of mine ask me to join direct selling, i rejected once. then twice, then thrice, then fourice etc. then she stopped convincing me. I hav another fren was in direct selling tells me that, her upline most probably telling her that: " I have no yuan2 fen4 with success " Hope you know how to relate this :-)

Here are 3 websites that are very interesting, you wont regret seeing them as these are taken out from bible which these scriptures are not welcomed by christian although they claimed bible is reliable n they love every scriptures in bible.

http://www.evilbible.com

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

http://www.thebricktestament.com

All the best to you !!!

Hope tsunami victims be strong.

Luv ya from

Smart Stanley
Agagooga said…
The fundies strike again, I see. Their obnoxiousness is the reason why so many are vehemently against Christianity.

Just give them the quote Ioi quoted earlier: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

It's very sad to see more people lost to the dark side... Sigh.
sloth @ rest said…
juz wanna let u know i for one, does not think that u r totally wrong, though I do believe in God. That's cos I dun believe in the church. In any case, religion IS about blind faith cos it means u believe in God and all His plans for you despite not havin seen or touched him. But I also firmly maintain that religion is absolutely personal, i.e one will naturally believe when u have been personally touched by God, like SR's mum. Even if you haven't, God has His reasons, which none of us r to question cos it's none of our friggin biz anyway.

To me, as long as u know u r leading a guilt-free life, answerable to yourself & to God (for non-believers, just consider the most remote possibility that maybe He does exist yup? ), it's good enough. Forcing religion down anybody's throat is hardly saintly behavior to me, no? Guess the reason alotta Christians are pissing pple off, even God-believers like myself, is how self righteous, condescending, pushy & blinded they can get, all in the *misappropriate use of the* name of God or Christainity. Of cos, not all, there's a million different kind of people irregardless of race, ethinicity, gender etc etc. But really, if u r one of these self-righteous condescending "Christians", before u launch your attacks on people like me with your condescending talk no less, why not step back & reflect on yourself? Are you God?

No.

Only God can decide when and how He wants to touch each & every one of us in His own way, so shut up abt your crap on how people whom do not believe in Jesus will be banished to hell.

You people studied & pored over the Bible. Surely you understand fully well what blasphemy means. Ain't you committing the sin of blasphemy in a twisted form, but a sin no less, tryin to act like God or acting the way you do in His name??

Religion as a faith in itself pisses no one - All Religions. But it is often, if not all the time, men's self righteous behavior in the name of religious faith that does the wrong thing. No?
sloth @ rest said…
juz wanna let u know i for one, does not think that u r totally wrong, though I do believe in God. That's cos I dun believe in the church. In any case, religion IS about blind faith cos it means u believe in God and all His plans for you despite not havin seen or touched him. But I also firmly maintain that religion is absolutely personal, i.e one will naturally believe when u have been personally touched by God, like SR's mum. Even if you haven't, God has His reasons, which none of us r to question cos it's none of our friggin biz anyway.

To me, as long as u know u r leading a guilt-free life, answerable to yourself & to God (for non-believers, just consider the most remote possibility that maybe He does exist yup? ), it's good enough. Forcing religion down anybody's throat is hardly saintly behavior to me, no? Guess the reason alotta Christians are pissing pple off, even God-believers like myself, is how self righteous, condescending, pushy & blinded they can get, all in the *misappropriate use of the* name of God or Christainity. Of cos, not all, there's a million different kind of people irregardless of race, ethinicity, gender etc etc. But really, if u r one of these self-righteous condescending "Christians", before u launch your attacks on people like me with your condescending talk no less, why not step back & reflect on yourself? Are you God?

No.

Only God can decide when and how He wants to touch each & every one of us in His own way, so shut up abt your crap on how people whom do not believe in Jesus will be banished to hell.

You people studied & pored over the Bible. Surely you understand fully well what blasphemy means. Ain't you committing the sin of blasphemy in a twisted form, but a sin no less, tryin to act like God or acting the way you do in His name??

Religion as a faith in itself pisses no one - All Religions. But it is often, if not all the time, men's self righteous behavior in the name of religious faith that does the wrong thing. No?
Eva said…
I'm a Buddhist & I belief in Buddhism because of some things that happened. Well, I think I've had lotsa similar experience as you regarding "frenz always preaching u".

Being one of the sch closest to City Harvest 5 years ago, lotsa my frenz converted to Christians. It was quite irritating when you've frenz who keep preaching or invitin u to their church event. Even if u've told em lotsa times that u're not interested, they'll still insist tt it's "juz a party". We all noe tt one of their pastor has become a singer a few years ago & it turned out worse. My frenz have been flooding my Friendster bulletin on wat events they have & tt their pastor is performing. I don't care who's performing, I'm juz not interested. Aiyoh! Dun understand English or Mandarin one lei!

1 of my fren even told me that I'm praying to Saturn! I dunno whether this is exactly what she said but she said sth like according to their bible, any form of religion that involves praying to a statue is considered praying to Saturn. Well well well, I din noe that the Jesus in the churches are not in statue form.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone here, I'm juz speaking from my mind & also my experiences. I do have frenz who are faithful Christians who do not preach to me & I really thank them for that. Juz hope that everyone will respect others for their choice of religion & not interfere. Even if others go to hell by not beliving in any religions, that's their choice.

& XiaXue, I think u shld let Smelly choose his own religion, like I've said, it's their choice. It's juz like u dun want ppl to preach bout Christianity to u, Smelly might not want u to preach bout atheisity (mmm... is there such a word?? =P) and I need to applaud u for being so daring in posting this entry. =D
Lancer said…
yea i have to stand on yur side for this one. although i'm not a total anti-religion, but one should noe what he/she is following.
Not to be offending against christians, I myself had been thru the route (a fundamentalist) and I knew what's going on. Somethin is wrong wif some of the major churches out there.
Brings me a question: who are the christians going to heaven? :) go figure.
Jiayou xiaxue!

;)
Yen Lynn said…
i wanna say i admire ur courage n i really agree wif wad u said... i was from a christian sch n i totally cannot stand ppl constantly bombarding mi wif all their christian stuffs...

once i was approached by some church ppl... dey keep wanna convince mi abt christ blah blah... i was really firm n voiced out wad i really believed in... myself n nt god or wadeva divine being... after much tok dey seem to giv up... n im VERY GLAD. kinda irritated... y do dey hv to convice n influence others... juz bcos we wld hv eternal life? when ur dead means ur dead rite.

once again... thanks enjoy ur blog entries... captured all our hearts... i will always b ur loyal blogder!
cherie said…
being a Christian these days is like being a feminist in the 60s, no?

hullo xiaxue, im sorry you had such a discomfitting experience with a Christian. yes, God may be almighty, but unfortunately He is often represented by human beings who are less than perfect.

i'm a cityharvester myself, and proud to be one. evangelism is the basic ministry of all believers, but the gospel should be shared like one beggar sharing bread with another. i couldnt agree more with the 'own time own target' description of salvation, and i believe nobody should be pressured or threatened into attending church. not everybody in CHC behaves insensitively. what your friend did was wrong, but she acted with good intentions.

but then again, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. heh.

whether you go to hell or not, or an african person who died without hearing the name of Christ before goes to hell or not, thats not for us to pass judgment. nor should we violently condemn homosexuals and prostitues to their face. after all, Christ said: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Christians are imperfect people too, we dont mean to come across as supreme lifeforms or anything.

arguing about the basis of faith, in our lifetimes, is like flogging a dead horse, man. God didnt give us intelligent minds only to have us submit to blind faith; in fact, i would like to say that 'blind faith' is an oxymoron. but i wont go down that road of discussion.

id just like to say, that it shouldnt be the (good or bad) works of men that convince you about the existence or absence of God. rather, i hope it will be the quiet surety of His personal, real touch in your life that tells you that when you die, you will be recieved into arms greater than those of your family or friends.

have a good 2005, xiaxue!
Xiaxue said…
1) Stop bloody preaching to me, my blog is not a fucking place for your promoting Christianity. Stop it! I had enough of preaching to last me a lifetime. Any preaching after this comment WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED.

2)Stop telling me how I should treat my brother and I should fucking respect his fucking decision. He is eleven. He doesn't know any better. I am here to guide him; I am his sister and I would never harm him. "Respect his decision"? So if he takes drugs I'm supposed to applause? UTTER BOLLOCKS.
Xiaxue said…
Adebelle: Stop reading because I don't believe in your God? That's the most absurb/ridiculous thing I've heard this year, second only to the fact that Japan donated such a whooping amount to the tsunami victims.
Daniel said…
IF I hear anyone bringing up the 'professor-brain' example again, I am gonna burst my gut laughing!

We KNOW there is a brain inside the Prof's head because we have seen brains from countless sources, like X-Rays, Bio class, health programme etc, and there are also many specimens floating around in jars in science labs.

So we take it that the Prof has a brain due to EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. Not bloody faith.


Has the God of any religion left such empirical evidence behind?
Of course not.
Which is why they will remain as blind faiths.

I conclude that this example is fundamentally flawed and superficial and the next person using it is a certified idiot.


ponderouspontifications.blogspot.com
redrown said…
I think the clash between religion and non-religion will never reconcile simply because the NonReligious's world is founded on grounds of logic and rationalisation whereas the Religious's world is founded on unquestioning faith and obedience. Religionists who try to argue otherwise, that they can rationalise and proof God's existence by referring to the Bible and other literature, can be easily refuted (and this is really the easy part, no question about that).

So what about miracles and the likes, that science has no answer for? Religionists will claim that it is a "work of God". It can however be virtually anything else. I can just as easily claim that it was a work of an "alien".

So basically, the only grounds which the 2 sides can base their arguments can be simplified so:

NonXtian: Rationalise!

Xtian: Faith!

Conclusion: No common ground there. Your world is what you make it out to be. There is no right or wrong (to the limits that laws and other norms permit), only what you decide to subscribe in.

SO what about people who try to impose their thoughts on others? Non Xtians always claim that "so long as one does not impose their values on others, they'll be ok with it" BUT some Xtians will try to impose their thinking, because they think "it is their duty as a servant of God". They have presumably good intentions (doesn't make it any less irritating though). Again this is a clash of worlds.

So non-Xtians, instead of complaining that the Xtian is irritating, should simply practice tolerance. Just as a non-xtian believes in NOT imposing their values on others, some xtians believe, equally strongly (if not even more strongly) that it is their duty.

There'll never be a common ground, and no one will be able ever to say who is right and who is wrong, simply because the world is not as simple as a mere right or wrong.
Eugene said…
it is actually incorrect to say that all forms of Christianity dictates that ONLY christians go to heaven and therefore attain salvation. Catholicism says that anyone who has lived the life of a righteous man has earned the right to go to heaven, irregardless of his religious orientation
redrown said…
anyway, XX, you are very brave indeed for posting such stuff up, given your fame, you have only invited more preachers to approach and target you.

Have fun!
Daniel said…
hey redrown, funny that we posted back to back.heheh
CheaYee said…
80 comments up to date.

This is going to be fun to read!

He he he.

If you dare enough to do something, be dare enough to face the consequences.
Xiaxue said…
DAMN I AM IN A FOUL MOOD. Preaching never fails to piss me off. What makes you Christians think that I have never studied Christianity? When I was 13 my mum sent missionaries to my home and I had to read paragraphs of the bible to them. I've also done my research because declarign that I do not believe in a God.

One more thing: NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO CALL MY BROTHER SMELLY because only I am allowed to. Anyone else calling him that will be .. I dunno... smacked with a rotten brinjal.
redrown said…
Haha Daniel, i think i may have to confirm the "kindred spirits" declaration...
redrown said…
Haha XX u are still the one-and-only!
The Blue Ark said…
Heh one of my favourite topics.

I believe god may or may not exist.

But i think the bible is full of crap.

Look at all the inconsistencies and contradictions.

Dead sea scrolls yadda yadda, yes. But were the dead sea scrolls written in modern English? You worshippers of the bible are putting all your faith in what was written by who knows who thousands of years ago, translated and re-translated and re-translated and re-translated. Who knows what has been added in or taken out.

Some of you have been touched by god. I admire you, and wish that if there really is a god, that he reaches me too.

But those who spout the bible at others, I have no respect for you at all. The bible is but a book written by MAN the same humans who are as sinned as everyone else.

I'll end with a challenge. Since the whole world was flooded during the time of Noah's ark, is the water freshwater or saltwater? How do the freshwater fish or the saltwater fish survive? Don't tell me the water doesn't mix. The salt water heavier then it stays below ah?
CheaYee said…
I think XX has been AWAY too long...

we miss her majesty ;-)

Anyway, i think the comments are getting way to personal and emotional for my taste anyway.

Hmmm..yah...its like we can make fun or talk bad about our own bf/gf/bro/sis/mom/dad, but anyone else is entitled the same priviledges to the same because they're not part of the family.

*yawn*

As it is, there'll be ppl preaching..and umm non preaching. whatever.

Controversial entries umm...attract controversial comments. Etc. etc. etc.

Let the fun last whilst it does.

Unless XX starts a new entry everyone will only be looking at this particular entry for the next few days...

and judging from the ummm...counter, it most likely will be so. Hor?

So let's hear what she's been up to in HK ya!
Xiaxue said…
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Xiaxue said…
To all those who sent me long preaching emails and "GOD DO EXIST.doc"s - I didn't read a single one of them. Qian pian yi lu anyway.

Stop sending me those, thanks, I have a headache as it is.

I am also not interested about whether you are a Xtian and how you converted. uh uh! Not interested! Keep it to yourself.
Xiaxue said…
SUPREMELY PISSED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PMS said…
Buddhism: "I don't go hell, who go hell?"

Christianity: "You don't believe, you go hell."
JRT said…
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Soli Loquy said…
i know, i know.. we're talking about christianity n religion as a whole here. but how many ppl, christians n non-christians alike, realize that christianity is not a religion? ok perhaps i should re-phrase this and say it's not JUST a religion.

it's a relationship with God.

since xiaxue is so pissed, i shall refrain from preaching. just want to point out a few facts. yes, there are christians who sin just as much, if not more. but nothing was ever mentioned that christians are perfect. everyone sins. so do buddhists and muslims and hindus and so on. however, people only seem to highlight the issue when a CHRISTIAN does a mistake. hope u see what i'm trying to say.

oops i think i wrote too much. just one last sentence. you may not find God, but He had, is, and will always look out for you.
Daniel said…
Um...JRTKK, I caught just one line of your post before it was removed.

Don't presume to think that you can intimidate XX like that..likening her to Chee Soon Juan? What the hell. Please retain a sense of perspective.

And I can safely tell you that the consequence of this entry, if any, is that a great number of her readers will be feeling indebted and grateful to her for using her blog as a platform to air our views.


ponderouspontifications.blogspot.com
We, the citizens of Singapore,
pledge ourselves as one united people,
regardless of race, language or religion.
regardless of race, language or religion.
regardless of race, language or religion.
regardless of race, language or religion.
regardless of race, language or religion.
regardless of race, language or religion.
(im starting to chant)

Hey everyone, don't get too affected by what XX said, its her thoughts, her thinking. Christians, be open to comments, non-Christians, be slow to condemn.
Momo said…
What chee soon blah blah.. I dont know who that is.

I despise fanatic christians. This century, your god is "*****", next century, your god might be "AUSTIN POWER"

Wanna preach me? sure.. contact 1-800-666-6666
Damn retards..
Pea Brain Pun said…
The comments posted are even more interesting than the already excellent post. So many people advocating the opposite of the author's stand only proves one thing; Many Christians fail to realize that the world is not based solely on attitudes, but perception. People just perceive things differently. Debates on any issues will continue but there's a difference; When will those gung ho Christians (exemplified in the blog entry) respect the different perceptions of humans? Just cos we view things according to certain standards DOES NOT MAKE IT FAIR to impose the same standards on to others!!!! It is this active promotion I see from the faction that disses the author which really disgruntles me.

Dale Carnegie once said
“The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it … … … nine out of ten arguments end with each of the contestants being more firmly convinced than ever that he is absolutely right … … You can’t win an argument because if you loose it, you loose it; and if you win it, you loose it. Why? Well suppose you triumph the other man, shoot his argument full of holes and prove that he is non compos mentis, then what? You will feel fine. But what about him? You will have made him feel inferior. You will have hurt his pride. He will resent your triumph.”

Xiaxue, just let those people advocating the opposite be. No point seething. To each his own.
fa_cai said…
Go Xiaxue!

Totally understand the feeling of tackling over zealous Christians. I was in Christian schools all my life (nursery to jc = grand total of 15 years) I have a few bibles, attended countless monday morning chapel, but I'm not convinced that god exsits. I'm still a free thinker.

(I started in that nursery cos my parents worried that I wouldn't learn enuf English at PAP kindergarten, the other schools were becos of affiliation, or some cousins were studying there)

So now we all know that free thinkers aren't necessarily easier to convert compared to people with other religion...

(A moment of silence for a small number of readers to recover from the shock of realisation)

Any way, good that you blog on sth that is supposedly 'out of bounds' A Straits Times journalist once said that we can only truly know which topics are out of bounds if we have tested them out.
paradox said…
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Agagooga said…
Xiaxue, I heartily recommend trying to open your brother's eyes to the truth. I'm almost positive it won't help, but - hey, at least you'll have tried :)

If it doesn't work - well, it's his decision after all. Just as you don't want people trying to convert you, you shouldn't try (too hard) to convert him either.

"A Straits Times journalist once said that we can only truly know which topics are out of bounds if we have tested them out."
Wonderful right. You only know you have done something "wrong" when you get hauled away by the MIW :/

paradox: Good for you, but fervent belief cannot change objective reality.
Xiaxue said…
Paradox: Don't understand English? I said no preaching. And nobody cares what turned you into a Christian. Cheers.
Xiaxue said…
Aga: I've been telling my brother to stop being a dickhead and I'm sure he will soon realise he is one. Going to church for friends! Damn that Barnabus. Shall not let him play with my dog anymore, wait he convert Cloudy also.
paradox said…
i'm surprised. that was no religious discourse.
Agagooga said…
I am preparing an essay on why people, especially youngsters, are so drawn to Christianity.

I would welcome your input, seeing as you have first hand knowledge and insight :)
Paige Fangster said…
i know how u feel, being flooded with christian knowledge and forced to go to church to CLEAR SINS.
like wtf.
cuz i've kena this kinda thing before.
and i lost a friend over this thingy.
haha.
lotise said…
It'll take a hell lot to convert Cloudy, since a place in heaven is already guaranteed.
Li@rphang said…
Hey. Been following your blog for some time. Decided it is too compelling not to post a comment for an interesting issue like this one.

I'm catholic. But Hell I dun fucking care if there a difference between christians, catholics, buddhists, muslim and etc. At the end of the day, respect. Respect the religion, respect the person. Maybe the tsunami happened for a reason. Maybe God could have stopped it. Maybe God felt this world was getting over-populated and somehow somewhere someone has to go. Maybe God slept on his job. Being humans, we like to think on the bright side. To make outselves feel better. Whichever the case, maybe the people who died dun have to suffer like we are doing. Or suffer like the survivors...

Anyhow, believe in whatever u believe in. Its not what you believe in that matters. Its the amount of faith you have in it that makes the miracle happen. ^-^ Cheers babe
Keng Wah said…
Aiyah, your brother probably went to the church to see GIRLS only. Most guys do that at some point of their lives.
ChillyBeer said…
we might as well start beliving in "Wendism/XiaXueism" =D Lolz!
Anonymous said…
Christians should respect you by not pushing into accepting Christianity.

But on the other hand, don't give the perception that you are bashing Christianity by deleting their comments.

Yes, this is your "private" blog. But you are using a public medium. Don't expect the Christians to take it lying down for publishing views contrary to theirs.
Weston said…
I spent xmas alone too...

The next time you happen to be "available" on xmas of anything like that then let me know, I have a good ear to absorb all that you can talk about and hopefully have the minimun amount "substance" to engage in a meaningful conversation with you.

Weston

westonliew@yahoo.com

P.S. My PSLE score's 235 only though...
Momo said…
SAINTSDAN = that name explains everything.
Netto said…
A quote from my favorite comedian,george carlin, it really says it all~!

"Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever ´til the end of time...BUT he loves you..."
viv said…
but I thought you DO have a religion...don't you worship in the house of Prada?! ;]
yishyene said…
THIS IS THE BEST POST EVER.

I can't even count the number of times I've been 'harrassed' by all these crazychristians. I remember someone even calling me up early inthe morning asking me to chant prayers THROUGH THE PHONE. And another guy actually appearing at my doorstep asking me to get in his car so we can have a lovely day together in church. YECH.
michellencarrom said…
I am not a Christian, but I urge all not to confuse all forms of Christianity and lump them together. There are different ways of intepretation that can result in different practices.


Let's not confuse the teachings and the practice.
Let's not stereotype exceptions.


Even if we may not accept Christianity or Religion, I guess we should still be more broad minded, go ahead and read books on Christianity, Buddhism, Islam. Take it as an intellectual discourse, and you might just discover things that you never knew you would. :)
Han said…
Wendy, I think you shouldn't delete the comments from the religious fundamentalists.

If you leave them on your blog, they will be preserved as a record. That way, everyone can see for themselves how crazy these people are.

If you delete them, your readers won't be able to see these nutcases for who they really are.

So yeah, leave the siao kia words alone. They help to bolster your argument. =)
cel said…
Hi Wendy,

do read Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code if you get the chance to. It will further strengthen your belief, or dis belief in this religion and more..

Cheers
Agagooga said…
Funny. Before I knew how to confront the fundies they ambushed me. Now that I know what to say to disarm them, they don't. Maybe I look too confident :0

The Da Vinci code is bullshit. It is poorly researched but presents its dubious facts as true.

Exposing Christianity is one thing, but please use proper facts, thank you!
Han said…
I think we should pass a law criminalising Christian activities.

Remember, we are a conservative ASIAN society, with respect for traditional ASIAN values.

There is no place in our society for such Western decadence as Christianity.

Remember, our esteemed Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew warned foreign influences not to mess around with us. We should obey Minister Lee to the letter and warn these Christians that their foreign ideas have no place in our conservative ASIAN society.

;)
silvermyst said…
the da vinci code was based on a book that was written by some journalists. Not anthropolgists, historians or any such sort. Even the authors of that book have agreed that the book was silly.

I'm agnostic, not atheist, but I have to say, I take your side on this issue.

I seem to have many more Catholic friends than Protestant also for this reason, because I do not believe in evangelism. If we're supposed to spread the word of God, then what the hell, we all have heard about it already and it's now up to us to choose!

City harvest freaks me out more and more, and Hillsong, the church so many people love gives me the creeps.

there's been newspaper coverage in both 2003 and 2004. here's the 2003 link

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043804401241.html

I also don't understand the idea that Catholics aren't Christians. WTF! Catholics ARE christians! CHRISTIANITY ---> Catholicism and Protestanism. sheeeesh. To preach that you should Love Thy Neighbour and then practice so much HATE.
redrown said…
I guess you are being tongue in cheek but I am sure that you are aware of our esteemed leader's methods of governance which basically involves a total brainwash of the citizens by using every tool possible (TV, newspapers, campaigns) to instill control. Well, Christianity is a great tool for control as well and that is why it is “acceptable” in our society.

But perhaps we are delving too much into yet another taboo topic...
diggo said…
if it comfort u, I spend my christmas eve and morning on a bus heading home...alone.

Have to admit that there are fanatics out there to try to convince. One need to have first hand experience to believe.

My teacher once told me this... She know of a scientist researching in the origins of life that believe in god (no religion specify). He told her that it is for the spiritual dependence.
redrown said…
Most of us would be satisfied that Catholics are a subset of Christianity, except, of course, the Christians themselves, since some of them seem to think that the Catholics are heretics, especially in ages past. Another example of their tolerance level.
Debbie Wee said…
i totally agree with what you have written... seriously... christians are overzealous and stuffs like that... a quote from a priest of a certain famous church in singapore: "Have you heard the saying of 'as poor as a church mouse', thus we should donate more.." this comment certainly offended me...thus i stopped my path towards christianity...i don't think faith = money...
cheers for the new year!
an avid reader of yours,
diling.
redrown said…
Religion is because of "spiritual dependence". I don't see how that translates into telling others what to believe in.
the Queen said…
hi XX.

while i agree that MANY christians can get very annoying when they're evangelising what you did was a tad mean. good that you acknowledge that there are good silent christians who don't shove the bible down your throat but please do respect them at the same time by not lambasting the entire religion's believers.

oh yeah, you do realise that the over zealous ones come from CHC. dunno,but it also seems like that to me.
Ivy said…
I don't think that it's fair for you to critisize the religion. It is the PEOPLE of the religion that screw it up not the religion as well. I am not Christian for the very reason they preach but I definitely don't agree with the reason why you oppose your brother from going to church. It is his own beliefs and his life you shouldn't stop him because it's none of your business. As long as he does not drag u to Church that is. Just because he believes in Christianity doesn't mean that it's blind faith. He may have actually liked the idea himself.

Stopping ur brother from being Christian is like him stopping from you from blogging. How would you feel? Sometimes you need to be a bit considerate with your actions.
Ben said…
Hmm... let me start off by saying I'm a free-thinker and the only thing I worship is the God of Song (aka Jacky Cheung) Anyway, just a bit of news from Australia, today I read in the newspaper (yes I read newspaper) that some power guy in a church claims that the tsunami is not the work of God and this comment actually drews tons of complains from the public. Few things I realised here. A lot people nowadays are not sure about their own religion. In fact, they are getting disorientated with the meaning of 'religion'. Am I right to say that religion is some sort of a spiritual guide? Till now, other than the evil cults and such, I've never known a single religion that doesn't teach someone to be good but why is it that accusations of evilness are thrown at these benign religions? Yes... I understand the willingness to 'share' this goodness with everyone but I'm quite sure that 'respect' is one of the teachings? True believers emerged from being a TRUE believer and not someone you pull to your religious house.

Human tendencies are such that what they have are usually the best and almost everyone suffer from the said flaw. For those who believe they have the best religion, good for you but I supposed it's not neccesarily to force other people to believe in what you do. Reflect upon your own actions and ask yourself if you are really adhering to the teachings of your own religion.

Lastly, proud to say that at least I dun try to force people to buy Jacky Cheung's album coz at least I know it sucks nowadays.
MunKit said…
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MunKit said…
THANKS WENDY.

You've said what I dared not, for fear of facing rejection from my peers.

I respect the existence of religions. I just can't help when people preach to me, or say something bad when I don't share the same opinion, I even find some of them complete bullshit.

E.g a Christian Friend told me:
"The end of the days are near, Jesus is coming. I can sense it. The TSUNAMI disaster (26th Dec) is the ultimate proof, those who do not believe in him will be evicted. Believe in God to be saved." Hm..

I think that's what exactly we called blind faith.

This is much like the case in your blog, the big fury caused by angry Christian commenters. Maybe they should keep their faiths to themselves and stop believing that "those who don't believe in Christ will go to hell"

"If they remain trapped in any belief, they cannot accept the possibility of anything outside of that belief. Anything contrary to the held belief is incorrect, and therefore precludes them from investigating further. Therefore the belief becomes a reality they have adopted, which is based on delusion. "
Mark said…
HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM SCOTLAND!

Re: religion, may I suggest that everyone should go and watch Monty Python's Life of Brian.

On a geographical note, here in the UK, religion (especially Christianity) is well and truly dead. Secularism rules! So there is hope for the world ;-)

Wendy, I can't wait to hear what you got up to in HK!!!
Hanim Mohamed said…
Totally agree with you Xia, on zealots and bigots and child rapist!

And this is not just Christians preachers, but all otr religion. Take Islam for one (I'm a Malay muslim, mind you)we all know the kind of trouble those fanatics radicals zelot can cause.

Shessshhhhh!

So kudos to you Xia, for blogging on this taboo topic in your own manner!

Muah!!
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froZenZombie said…
Religion is opiate for the masses...
... 'nuff said
U-smiling said…
Readers are suppose to read and comment. Wendy did not run down the said religion the manner some of you are. How come there's people criticizing the bible and saying it's fake and what not. Because of one sad incident she faced does not mean the rest could take this opportunity to agree violently and add in other rude points to insult christianity or any other issues in future for that matter.

peace out :D www.ms-soigne.blogspot.com
AwfulViolet said…
hey xiaxue,

i applaud that you are so honest with your views and not being hypocritical.

I am a muslim but I am not a raving fanatic. I believe there are certain things in a religion that God wants you to use your common sense and think for your own self.

Basically i think religion is just a guideline for us. We need to use our own common sense to live our lives.

And about not feeling/seeing God; at the risk of sounding pious, I believe in God, and I have felt it in my heart. I have had so many incidents in life that happened to me because i feel, God allowed it to happen - or else I would have done something bad to myself.

And I think when you say, why doesn't God show himself to us and prove himself, i think he doesn't need to. He isn't human, to need to PROVE himself to beings like us, (like most humans need) that he himself created.

And i guess the more faith and belief you have in God, even without prove and all that minor stuff, only strengthens your belief and connection with Him and that will strengthen you spiritually.

About the Tsunami and other tragedies around the world, I personally believe that tragedies like this happen, not to punish us, but it helps mankind to grow and learn. We are like children. We need to face hardships and challenges to grow. Without this tragedies/wars/etc, our mindsets and our ways would still be stuck in the middle ages.

It helps makes mankind stronger and helps us unite. Help us learn our lesson. well, most of us. not all.
AwfulViolet said…
hey xiaxue,

i applaud that you are so honest with your views and not being hypocritical.

I am a muslim but I am not a raving fanatic. I believe there are certain things in a religion that God wants you to use your common sense and think for your own self.

Basically i think religion is just a guideline for us. We need to use our own common sense to live our lives.

And about not feeling/seeing God; at the risk of sounding pious, I believe in God, and I have felt it in my heart. I have had so many incidents in life that happened to me because i feel, God allowed it to happen - or else I would have done something bad to myself.

And I think when you say, why doesn't God show himself to us and prove himself, i think he doesn't need to. He isn't human, to need to PROVE himself to beings like us, (like most humans need) that he himself created.

And i guess the more faith and belief you have in God, even without prove and all that minor stuff, only strengthens your belief and connection with Him and that will strengthen you spiritually.

About the Tsunami and other tragedies around the world, I personally believe that tragedies like this happen, not to punish us, but it helps mankind to grow and learn. We are like children. We need to face hardships and challenges to grow. Without this tragedies/wars/etc, our mindsets and our ways would still be stuck in the middle ages.

It helps makes mankind stronger and helps us unite. Help us learn our lesson. well, most of us. not all.
AwfulViolet said…
hey xiaxue,

i applaud that you are so honest with your views and not being hypocritical.

I am a muslim but I am not a raving fanatic. I believe there are certain things in a religion that God wants you to use your common sense and think for your own self.

Basically i think religion is just a guideline for us. We need to use our own common sense to live our lives.

And about not feeling/seeing God; at the risk of sounding pious, I believe in God, and I have felt it in my heart. I have had so many incidents in life that happened to me because i feel, God allowed it to happen - or else I would have done something bad to myself.

And I think when you say, why doesn't God show himself to us and prove himself, i think he doesn't need to. He isn't human, to need to PROVE himself to beings like us, (like most humans need) that he himself created.

And i guess the more faith and belief you have in God, even without prove and all that minor stuff, only strengthens your belief and connection with Him and that will strengthen you spiritually.

About the Tsunami and other tragedies around the world, I personally believe that tragedies like this happen, not to punish us, but it helps mankind to grow and learn. We are like children. We need to face hardships and challenges to grow. Without this tragedies/wars/etc, our mindsets and our ways would still be stuck in the middle ages.

It helps makes mankind stronger and helps us unite. Help us learn our lesson. well, most of us. not all.
AwfulViolet said…
hey xiaxue,

i applaud that you are so honest with your views and not being hypocritical.

I am a muslim but I am not a raving fanatic. I believe there are certain things in a religion that God wants you to use your common sense and think for your own self.

Basically i think religion is just a guideline for us. We need to use our own common sense to live our lives.

And about not feeling/seeing God; at the risk of sounding pious, I believe in God, and I have felt it in my heart. I have had so many incidents in life that happened to me because i feel, God allowed it to happen - or else I would have done something bad to myself.

And I think when you say, why doesn't God show himself to us and prove himself, i think he doesn't need to. He isn't human, to need to PROVE himself to beings like us, (like most humans need) that he himself created.

And i guess the more faith and belief you have in God, even without prove and all that minor stuff, only strengthens your belief and connection with Him and that will strengthen you spiritually.

About the Tsunami and other tragedies around the world, I personally believe that tragedies like this happen, not to punish us, but it helps mankind to grow and learn. We are like children. We need to face hardships and challenges to grow. Without this tragedies/wars/etc, our mindsets and our ways would still be stuck in the middle ages.

It helps makes mankind stronger and helps us unite. Help us learn our lesson. well, most of us. not all.
AwfulViolet said…
hey xiaxue,

i applaud that you are so honest with your views and not being hypocritical.

I am a muslim but I am not a raving fanatic. I believe there are certain things in a religion that God wants you to use your common sense and think for your own self.

Basically i think religion is just a guideline for us. We need to use our own common sense to live our lives.

And about not feeling/seeing God; at the risk of sounding pious, I believe in God, and I have felt it in my heart. I have had so many incidents in life that happened to me because i feel, God allowed it to happen - or else I would have done something bad to myself.

And I think when you say, why doesn't God show himself to us and prove himself, i think he doesn't need to. He isn't human, to need to PROVE himself to beings like us, (like most humans need) that he himself created.

And i guess the more faith and belief you have in God, even without prove and all that minor stuff, only strengthens your belief and connection with Him and that will strengthen you spiritually.

About the Tsunami and other tragedies around the world, I personally believe that tragedies like this happen, not to punish us, but it helps mankind to grow and learn. We are like children. We need to face hardships and challenges to grow. Without this tragedies/wars/etc, our mindsets and our ways would still be stuck in the middle ages.

It helps makes mankind stronger and helps us unite. Help us learn our lesson. well, most of us. not all.
AwfulViolet said…
hey xiaxue,

i applaud that you are so honest with your views and not being hypocritical.

I am a muslim but I am not a raving fanatic. I believe there are certain things in a religion that God wants you to use your common sense and think for your own self.

Basically i think religion is just a guideline for us. We need to use our own common sense to live our lives.

And about not feeling/seeing God; at the risk of sounding pious, I believe in God, and I have felt it in my heart. I have had so many incidents in life that happened to me because i feel, God allowed it to happen - or else I would have done something bad to myself.

And I think when you say, why doesn't God show himself to us and prove himself, i think he doesn't need to. He isn't human, to need to PROVE himself to beings like us, (like most humans need) that he himself created.

And i guess the more faith and belief you have in God, even without prove and all that minor stuff, only strengthens your belief and connection with Him and that will strengthen you spiritually.

About the Tsunami and other tragedies around the world, I personally believe that tragedies like this happen, not to punish us, but it helps mankind to grow and learn. We are like children. We need to face hardships and challenges to grow. Without this tragedies/wars/etc, our mindsets and our ways would still be stuck in the middle ages.

It helps makes mankind stronger and helps us unite. Help us learn our lesson. well, most of us. not all.
K said…
First of all, To anyone that thinks that the Tsunami can be justified by saying that it is a sign of the END...Kiss My Ass. Nothing can justify a calamity of this proportion, even if it is biblical in scale. The only good thing that came out of it is seeing our Army doing something right about it. If the Tsunami is God's will than why does it only affect poverty stricken areas?!?!?

Coming from a christian school, i can dare say i know the bible a lot better than any city havester. I am not a christian even after years of preaching from people around me.

Reason 1:
The history of Christianity is soaked with bloodshed. Example: The crusades, prosecution of all sorts, etc etc...

Reason 2:
Christianity or any school that branch out of it was a tool for colonization. Pompous Ang Mohs decided that their religion was better and everyone in Asia should follow them.

Reason 3:
City Havester have absolutely no IDEA what the bible is about in the first place. Anyone who has read the bible can refute them till the Fat Lady sings.

Jesus said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.' John 14:6

This quote from the bible should say it all, and i doubt any city havester can even remotely comprehend what it means. It is all about Free Will. There will always be 2 sides to a coin.

Without hell, there is no heaven.
Without chaos, there is no order.
Without darkness, there is no light.
Without demons, there are no angels.
Without Satan, there is no GOD.

Think about it...
K said…
First of all, To anyone that thinks that the Tsunami can be justified by saying that it is a sign of the END...Kiss My Ass. Nothing can justify a calamity of this proportion, even if it is biblical in scale. The only good thing that came out of it is seeing our Army doing something right about it. If the Tsunami is God's will than why does it only affect poverty stricken areas?!?!?

Coming from a christian school, i can dare say i know the bible a lot better than any city havester. I am not a christian even after years of preaching from people around me.

Reason 1:
The history of Christianity is soaked with bloodshed. Example: The crusades, prosecution of all sorts, etc etc...

Reason 2:
Christianity or any school that branch out of it was a tool for colonization. Pompous Ang Mohs decided that their religion was better and everyone in Asia should follow them.

Reason 3:
City Havester have absolutely no IDEA what the bible is about in the first place. Anyone who has read the bible can refute them till the Fat Lady sings.

Jesus said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.' John 14:6

This quote from the bible should say it all, and i doubt any city havester can even remotely comprehend what it means. It is all about Free Will. There will always be 2 sides to a coin.

Without hell, there is no heaven.
Without chaos, there is no order.
Without darkness, there is no light.
Without demons, there are no angels.
Without Satan, there is no GOD.

Think about it...
Huzefa said…
Hey,
Honestly, I have blind faith in god as a concept. Thats really a very easy solution to most difficult questions. But thats cool too, I mean, who is to judge. While you wouldnt be able to understand why the tsunami happened why all those people died, I can just think that it was god's will and get on with my life much easier. Im not sure what Im saying here because Ive had a little to drink. Aah need to sleep now. Good night.
Sam said…
lol, you're not the only one wendy. religion is very much psychological and embraced due to fear, in every perspective.
I recently came across a website claiming there is a significant event in almost all (or all) religions, and that this event caused the creation of the religions.

I blog it here at http://chuacw.hn.org/chewy/archive/2005/01/01/1065.aspx
natalie said…
Your post reminds me of a scene in a movie by Judy Foster years ago, "Contact".

She was a staunch scientist who believe only in things she could see, prove but has an uncanny friendship with a pastor. She has a strong love for the father she lost years ago, and he, a firm belief in God. One night they were both arguing about the presence of God. She asked him for evidence that He exists.

Finally he asked her a question.

"Do you love your father?"
"Of course!" (a little stunned)
"Prove it."
BeginToEnd said…
Ms-Soigne commented:
Because of one sad incident she faced does not mean the rest could take this opportunity to agree violently and add in other rude points to insult christianity or any other issues in future for that matter.

Good point there Ms-Soigne.
Its juz XX's morbid fans trying to glorify this post or what they claimed as their blind faith, to assume what they think is correct.
Just being unreceptive of what's posted and what's commented, some of them are just having their words thrown back at them faces!

And I hope some here dun mix the christians and the catholics together.

I quote from cult anime Ghost In The Shell
"If you aren’t happy with what’s around, change yourself 1st. If you don’t like that idea, close your eyes and ears and live in solitude. If you don’t like either…………..”
Agagooga said…
The 'Catholics aren't Christians' movement is a not-so-subtle way for fundies to deny the legitimacy of Catholicism.

"I don't think that it's fair for you to critisize the religion. It is the PEOPLE of the religion that screw it up not the religion as well."
Then it is not fair to praise religions either, because it is the PEOPLE of the religion that do good, not the religion itself.

"How come there's people criticizing the bible and saying it's fake and what not"
Because it is? Go read up. I may tolerate someone's view that the earth is flat, but I will not respect it. Ditto.

"He isn't human, to need to PROVE himself to beings like us, (like most humans need) that he himself created"
So why does he need us to WORSHIP him? No proof, no worship. Sorry.

"And i guess the more faith and belief you have in God, even without prove and all that minor stuff, only strengthens your belief and connection with Him and that will strengthen you spiritually."
Erm. It just deepens your delusion.

"I personally believe that tragedies like this happen, not to punish us, but it helps mankind to grow and learn"
If all suffering and evil is good, nothing is evil anymore.

Oh, and please don't press the POST button 6 times. Once is enough.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one" - GB Shaw

Our love for our parents can be seen in our actions and attitudes towards them. If we avoided them deliberately or worse, kept abusing them physically and emotionally, could anyone say that we loved them? (Ditto for the christian god. He says he loves us but keeps abusing us. Can we say he loves us?!)
MumboJumbo said…
Please Marry Me

FINALLY SOMEONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH

Yes, I have been religious for over 10 years. Honestly, a lot of Christians have information of Christianity ONLY from the bible. There is a WHOLE LOT of information on Christianity and its fallicies that is not in the bible. Then again, I find the bible to be a joke to begin with. Christianity and the bible was not around since the beginning of mankind. No proclaimed Christian wrote bible chapters during the Neolithic and even other periods. Cristianity was MADE UP! Even the title of GOD and Jesus is made up. There great period in our history when these terms didn't even exist. Hell, tons of change had to occur for even the name "Jesus" to come about.

Religion is being used now for the same reasons it was used in the past. Control.

You will always say dumb christians say that there have been scholars that dedicate YEARS of their lives trying to prove the bible wrong. Then, when you ask them for names, they are clue less. Its all a bunch of bullshit.

Religion was proven wrong a long time ago. I have some questions? How about when the first Christians came to America and savagely killed the Indians? How the great wars that have been fought in the name of religion? How about the America that was once a white power kkk driven society? Weren't they all Christians?

Let me take this further. How about those that say GOD clearly tells us of the end of times. Yes, great calamity will happen. You will hear of reports of wars, famine, natural disasters, etc. That is so completely stupid. Its called H-I-S-T-O-R-Y.

How about the great wars that were fought 1000's of years before today. Hell, wars were fought before the bibles construction. Hey, how about the black plauge that wiped out most of human society? What about the great famine that occured in China and other countries. According to the bible, then end was supposed to come a long time ago. I don't even want to go on.

Lastly, you can tell when something is created for manipulation purposes. Its core base is built on fear and reward. You should not commit acts of good because, god exists. In fact, acts of good shouldn't even be dependent upon his existence. If one does good to go to heaven or to escape from hell, he/she is not doing true good. They are trying to save their ass.

If this so called "god" really wanted kind people, he would not metion heaven or hell. Why? Because if someone really enjoyed doing the right thing, they could care less about such fantasy places.

Yeah, religion is bullshit. No, I don't see the light. Kiss my asian ass.
MumboJumbo said…
Please Marry Me

FINALLY SOMEONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH

Yes, I have been religious for over 10 years. Honestly, a lot of Christians have information of Christianity ONLY from the bible. There is a WHOLE LOT of information on Christianity and its fallicies that is not in the bible. Then again, I find the bible to be a joke to begin with. Christianity and the bible was not around since the beginning of mankind. No proclaimed Christian wrote bible chapters during the Neolithic and even other periods. Cristianity was MADE UP! Even the title of GOD and Jesus is made up. There great period in our history when these terms didn't even exist. Hell, tons of change had to occur for even the name "Jesus" to come about.

Religion is being used now for the same reasons it was used in the past. Control.

You will always say dumb christians say that there have been scholars that dedicate YEARS of their lives trying to prove the bible wrong. Then, when you ask them for names, they are clue less. Its all a bunch of bullshit.

Religion was proven wrong a long time ago. I have some questions? How about when the first Christians came to America and savagely killed the Indians? How the great wars that have been fought in the name of religion? How about the America that was once a white power kkk driven society? Weren't they all Christians?

Let me take this further. How about those that say GOD clearly tells us of the end of times. Yes, great calamity will happen. You will hear of reports of wars, famine, natural disasters, etc. That is so completely stupid. Its called H-I-S-T-O-R-Y.

How about the great wars that were fought 1000's of years before today. Hell, wars were fought before the bibles construction. Hey, how about the black plauge that wiped out most of human society? What about the great famine that occured in China and other countries. According to the bible, then end was supposed to come a long time ago. I don't even want to go on.

Lastly, you can tell when something is created for manipulation purposes. Its core base is built on fear and reward. You should not commit acts of good because, god exists. In fact, acts of good shouldn't even be dependent upon his existence. If one does good to go to heaven or to escape from hell, he/she is not doing true good. They are trying to save their ass.

If this so called "god" really wanted kind people, he would not metion heaven or hell. Why? Because if someone really enjoyed doing the right thing, they could care less about such fantasy places.

Yeah, religion is bullshit. No, I don't see the light. Kiss my asian ass.
MumboJumbo said…
Please Marry Me

FINALLY SOMEONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH

Yes, I have been religious for over 10 years. Honestly, a lot of Christians have information of Christianity ONLY from the bible. There is a WHOLE LOT of information on Christianity and its fallicies that is not in the bible. Then again, I find the bible to be a joke to begin with. Christianity and the bible was not around since the beginning of mankind. No proclaimed Christian wrote bible chapters during the Neolithic and even other periods. Cristianity was MADE UP! Even the title of GOD and Jesus is made up. There great period in our history when these terms didn't even exist. Hell, tons of change had to occur for even the name "Jesus" to come about.

Religion is being used now for the same reasons it was used in the past. Control.

You will always see dumb christians say that there have been scholars that dedicate YEARS of their lives trying to prove the bible wrong. Then, when you ask them for names, they are clue less. Its all a bunch of bullshit.

Religion was proven wrong a long time ago. I have some questions? How about when the first Christians came to America and savagely killed the Indians? How abut the great wars that have been fought in the name of christianity? How about the America that was once a white power kkk driven society? Weren't they all Christians?

Let me take this further. How about those that say GOD clearly tells us of the end of times. Yes, great calamity will happen. You will hear of reports of wars, famine, natural disasters, etc. That is so completely stupid. Its called H-I-S-T-O-R-Y.

How about the great wars that were fought 1000's of years before today. Hell, wars were fought before the bibles construction. Hey, how about the black plauge that wiped out most of human society? What about the great famine that occured in China and other countries. According to the bible, the end was supposed to come a long time ago. I don't even want to go on.

Lastly, you can tell when something is created for manipulation purposes. Its core base is built on fear and reward. You should not commit acts of good because, god exists. In fact, acts of good shouldn't even be dependent upon his existence. If one does good to go to heaven or to escape from hell, he/she is not doing true good. They are trying to save their ass.

If this so called "god" really wanted kind people, he would not metion heaven or hell. Why? Because if someone really enjoyed doing the right thing, they could care less about such fantasy places.

Yeah, religion is bullshit. No, I don't see the light. Kiss my asian ass.
the mediator (: said…
hey there.

wells. i know that you're fed up with all this christian stuffs.

but just to let you know.

God gave everyone here a choice.
and that is to choose.

so if, IF one day you do come to know Him personally i will rejoice for you. but if you shut your heart and dont believe, then its your choice.

BUT have you thought that since God is so powerful and almighty, He could have long made everyone believe in Him and worship Him since we were created. but he didnt.

wells. he never wanted to force us to do things we dont like.

the reason: He will never stop loving everyone even though some choose to dont believe or even hate Him.

anyway, just take care.
N0thing_Much said…
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Scriptures in bible that Christian will choose to avoid, ignore and neglect.
Daniel said…
To poKE* a few posts up who wrote:
"BUT have you thought that since God is so powerful and almighty, He could have long made everyone believe in Him and worship Him since we were created. but he didnt."


By that statement, you are presupposing that God exists. Thus, you are missing the argument entirely.

It's soooo hard to hold reasoned debate with X'tians. Wait, it's impossible.

ponderouspontifications.blogspot.com
bobby said…
couldn't have said it better myself. excellent stuffs.
Indian Stallion said…
Repent my daughter , before the Lord strikes you with his mighty vengeance......

I'm kidding i'm kidding don't delete me!

Religion is a very sensitive topic. That's why I usually stay away from it. And also probably the reason why you got so many comments. A lot of people have very strong (skewed?) views when it comes to religion, especially when you question theirs.

Me I live by one rule : Do whatever I want, as long as I don't hurt anyone else by my actions. And it applies to other people as well. They can do whatever they want as long as they don't affect anyone else in a negative way.

So basically I don't really care what people believe in, they can pray to a rock for all I care, as long as they don't try to convert me to it. Or use their beliefs to annoy the crap outta me like those preachers.

So my opinion is if my brother wants to go to church let it be lor. Don't know how old is he, but if he's at the age where he's old enough to think for himself then you shouldn't interfere. Just warn him that you will snap his neck if he ever tries to talk you into joining him.
Daniel said…
Ah... "An ye harm none, do as ye will"

I live by that dictum too.


ponderouspontifications.blogspot.com
Jean said…
Hi xiaxue,

well, i know that you have received alot alot of comments from both christians and non-christians alike, but i'd just like to add my two cents' worth. but being a christian, i've always believed that we were all made with a God-shaped vacuum in our hearts that only He can fill.

you don't have to be bitter about the fact that your brother is beginning to attend church, nor should worry that his faith will jeopardize your relationship with him.. i do believe that with some understanding and tolerance towards your brother, such negative situations can be prevented.

if you have the time, i do hope that you will give this site a try. it's

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com

this site provides many answers to your questions, and supports fully the reason why our religion is not merely a blind faith. it even answers the questions on dinosaurs. (RE: Auggy's comment) i can see your open-mindedness to this matter as reflected in your entry, so i believe that you would give this site a shot.

cheers to the new year, and stay humorous always! =)

In His grace,
Jean
cake said…
Another point to make.

Since so many are christians, shouldn't they be like " i forgive you for you are tricked by Satan?"

And also, who are they to judge? there's a story about some woman being stoned for she had done something worng, but Jesus asked, who can say that they have not sinned, throw the first stone, or something like that. I forgot, but i went to church a few years ago and came out very disillusioned.

The above is one of the reason why i stopped going to church. The people will preach and preach, but then, they don't practise what they preach.

I'm not saying all, not even maybe the majority, as i can't say that i've met the majority of the Christians in SG, but the above posts flaming XX just shows that point strongly.

Continue flaming XX and other non-believers.

By flaming, you are only reflecting badly on yourself and not on the flamee.

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anonymous said…
Wow. So contraversial. Let's see... how do I put this lightly? Oh yes: This blog is my bible!

And as long as XX stays single, she'll be the smartest girl I know.

See why here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200501/s1275515.htm

Still not sure why he is worshipping the ground she blogs on, but does so with blind faith anyway,
Blogder83
Mr_BuRns said…
To poKE* a few more posts up who wrote:

"God gave everyone here a choice.
and that is to choose."

Since God already gave us a choice to have our choice of belief in, why are the non-believers on a 1 way trip to hell?since God gave us a choice, God should respect it to a certain extent also...of course if the religion an individual chose to believe in is one that promotes killing, rapes, etc etc bad stuff then one can understand it if God condemns him/her. But do religions like Buddhism, Islam, Taoism,...promote negative values? yah i know we are not on the same level as God to talk abt God respecting our choice but hey if ur not respecting another person's choice, y give him the option of choice in the 1st place?

since God loves us, God should try to get us pple all into heaven right? yet non-believers will go to hell...blah blah...y not just make the world all believers in the 1st place? in that case we will all go to heaven and there will be christians all ard the world ...is it not better this way? wahahhah

anyway i believe there is a God or there are Gods
Allah, Buddha, Jesus etc etc...its all just a name that we humans attach to things we do not fully comprehend so that we can identify with it and understand it a little more...
anyway if a religion is to survive, flourish for hundreds of years n promotes positive values then it deserves to be respected.

actually it all boils down to faith...
Oh BTW im a buddhist, but im a pretty lousy 1 at the moment haha

Food for thought...IF Satanism turns good i.e. start helping people with no strings attached...condemn rape and murder...basically just do everything humanly good possible, would it still be branded as an evil religion/sect? PS note the "IF", its just a hypothetical thought experiment

More Blogging Wendy! i ask u out next xmas! =)
xsaix said…
NO NO NO !!! ALL U GUY ARE GETTING IT ALL WRONG !!!
There only 1 GOD n that me !!! :D :D it not blind faith.. i totally believe that there is no other superior being other then me !!!!

P.S. N Xmas is not about Jesus or Santa or who.. Xmas is all about PRESENT !!! The joy of getting present :D
Nothing beat that.. N for those that dun agree.. Screw u hippie, i going home

P.S.S . Ok i too bored cause WoW server pls flame me..so i have something to do while waiting.. thank you

P.S.S.S BUT i really believe that there is no other superior being other then me.. seriously no lie.. those that believe me can come worship me too.. forming a new religion www.cultofxsaix.org . Donation is a must n cause i more mighter n got the ball to show up 10% of all yr salary is not enough.. at least 101%. U can sell yrself or rob to give me.. God approve of that. Chiobu have special privilage to be "under" me :D

P.S.S.S.S N those that dun believe go to hell n let satan rape(guy beware satan is gay)
xsaix said…
NO NO NO !!! ALL U GUY ARE GETTING IT ALL WRONG !!!
There only 1 GOD n that me !!! :D :D it not blind faith.. i totally believe that there is no other superior being other then me !!!!

P.S. N Xmas is not about Jesus or Santa or who.. Xmas is all about PRESENT !!! The joy of getting present :D
Nothing beat that.. N for those that dun agree.. Screw u hippie, i going home

P.S.S . Ok i too bored cause WoW server pls flame me..so i have something to do while waiting.. thank you

P.S.S.S BUT i really believe that there is no other superior being other then me.. seriously no lie.. those that believe me can come worship me too.. forming a new religion www.cultofxsaix.org . Donation is a must n cause i more mighter n got the ball to show up 10% of all yr salary is not enough.. at least 101%. U can sell yrself or rob to give me.. God approve of that. Chiobu have special privilage to be "under" me :D

P.S.S.S.S N those that dun believe go to hell n let satan rape(guy beware satan is gay)
silveryarn said…
cliche as this may sound, but have you ever seen darkness? no? darkness is not something you see. darkness isn't something you can feel. darkness is the absence of light. where light is something you can see. but you do acknowledge 'darkness', no? even though you can't see it?
same applies to any God of any religion.
i'm not preaching, but sometimes it's just not reasonable for someone who has little or no knowledge of a particular religion to criticise it.
and it's not a rule that christians have to convince all their friends and relatives to convert. they just believe that having a relationship with God will give them eternal life and so they wish that the ppl around them can share that too.
delete this if you want. as long as you read it.
xsaix said…
Er... i forget the most important thing .. Hello xiaxiu :D I on the famous xiaxiu.blogspot.com.. sweeeeeeeeeet :D
Xiaxue said…
Aga: Applause applause! Never heard better. =)

Han: Okie lor *grudgingly* *mumble* Don't know why should let them advertise...
Daniel said…
To 'uncomposed' who posted above:
We acknowledge 'darkness' but we know there is no such thing, as it is simply the absence of light.

So relating back to your analogy, are you telling us that you acknowledge God but there is no such thing?

And what makes you think people who disavowed God have never done their research? Most atheists I know are very smart.
Daniel said…
To 'uncomposed' who posted above:
We acknowledge 'darkness' but we know there is no such thing, as it is simply the absence of light.

So relating back to your analogy, are you telling us that you acknowledge God but there is no such thing?

And what makes you think people who disavowed God have never done their research? Most atheists I know are very smart.
domino_tales said…
Hello xiaxue,

i am like a few of the other blogders, who have followed your blog but have not felt so compelled to post anything until now.

first up, kudos to you for being so spectacularly tactful and yet straight-to-the-point about your ideas and thoughts. i like the way you are gutsy about writing this taboo religion stuff. and in all honesty, i cannot agree with you more.

let me relate an incident of an ex-friend i used to have. though the friendship was not destroyed because of religion, there were moments when his faith caused rifts in our friendship that nearly tore it apart.

as i am sure many of you are familiar with dan brown's Angels and Demons. millions have bought the book. millions have read the book. so it is a work of fiction, but you have to agree it is pretty darn good fiction yeah. well, i was re-reading this book a while back when my ex-friend (lets call him A) called me and asked to chat. i said i was reading, so he asked what book i was reading. when i finished explaining what the book was about, he might as well have called me a child of the devil for reading this book. he called the book a work of the devil and that it should not be sold.

to put it nicely, i was taken aback.

and who can forget those over-eager moments when he told me that i should come to church or be burned in hell and suffer forevermore should i not be a christian.

it is not that faith is bad. faith gives people hope. and faith helps people be strong. but i feel that, as you said, i should not be told how i should lead my life by others. if i choose to take the leap, it is out of my own decision, not by other's persuasion.

and by the way, we know dinosaurs exist because "some scientist" found their bones. it is not a declaration based on thin air.

God is something that everyone talks about. but almost nobody has seen.

and in all honesty, let me quote someone i read about:
its not God that i dislike, its his little fan clubs that i cannot stand.

Cheerios!
CheaYee said…
Bicker. Bicker. Bicker.

So much for world peace being advocated in the midst of the people.

Muggles.

Christians.

Non Christians.

Earthlings.

Aliens.

Dog Poo.

Cat Shit.

Cow Dung.

My mom's ass.

My aunt's toilet.

My ass hole.

My nose dropping and ear wax.

Yummy.

Oh, and the cellulite from my thighs.

*who wants some?* I can dig some for you.

Dont want it?? Your *loss* lor.

I'm supposed to be *entertained* by this blog lar...

Lets all be tolerant of one another ya.

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Straight Talk said…
Yes. There is always friction from the confrontation of these christians.

I have a buddhist friend who wear amulets on his neck.
His wife's sister demanded he take them out and leave the amulets in his car before he can step into her house. She said that he is wearing devils on his neck.
My friend was so insulted...........I won't say more.

Christians.

That was uncalled provocation.

Say that to a muslim and they will probably chop your head off.

A timely article by Wendy to jolt these conceited, hypocrites, pain in the arse, irritating, orgasm fakers, liars..............to wake up to the real world.

If there are more of them here in Singapore, I won't be surprised one day, an extremist suicide bomber could blow up their church.

Take care christians.
Wake up.
Xiaxue said…
If someone bombs CHC no one there would be angry coz God decides everything and therefore they will all be happy to be closer to God. Yay!
Jordan Goh said…
I, and I believe I'm speaking for the majority of non believers, you included, am just waiting for a sign. THE sign that someone of enormous power, truly exist.

Be it a Christian God, Tee Gong(Jade Emperor), Allah or Shiva. If anyone can prove that He exists, heck, I might believe in Him. Seeing Him 'descending right on top of the Esplanade and exclaiming, "Screw you atheists, I EXIST!"', is sure one hell of a sign. :)

One reason why I'm a free thinker is because my head simply refuses to acknowledge that God does exist.

But at times, my heart thinks otherwise. Those times were during the darkest periods of my life. I'm not sure, but have you ever experienced an extreme dire situation when you have absolutely no one to turn to, with absolutely no solution to the problem you are facing, then suddenly you can hear yourself mumbling, praying, wishing, thinking, etc... "God, please help me."?

Well, maybe you have a blessed life and have not experienced it(yet). I did.

I'm going through a divorce right now. I slipped into an extreme bout of depression in 2003 when I caught my wife having an affair. The initial period of the separation was like living hell. Tears flowed freely every night. No amount of comfort can relief me the thoughts of picturing my wife giving that bastard a blow job. It was during those nights when I hear myself saying, "God, please help me."

Heck, I dont think He heard me. I lost 15 kgs in 3 months.

My dad was on his deathbed in 1998. No medication in the world can cure the cancer in his liver. Images of him suffering his last days has been forever etched into my mind. That was the first time in my life that I prayed I guess. "God, please help my father."

Heck, I dont think He heard me. He passed away. No miracles.

Every Toto and 4D days, I prayed, "God, please let it be me."

Heck, I dont think He heard me either. Heh.

Enough crap. So what's my point? My point is EVERYONE of us benefit from a sense of contact with divinity... even if you dont believe in it and even if it's imagined. It somehow tricks your mind into believing that you actually feel better. For me at least.

When I was your little's brother age. I remember going to this church camp in Bedok. Afterwhich it's church every week for 2 months before I realised that christianity is not my forte. I simply could not connect with Him. The people there treated me like buddies when they dont even know me, so much so that I was overwhelmed and quit.

Give your brother a break. Let him be. Hell, if he wants to worship Allah, you have no right to stop him either. We all know you care for your brother, but to compare choosing a religion and choosing to take drugs is a bit too extreme issnt it?

Since this might be my first and last comment, I might as well type a bit more crap. Please pardon me.

We all ask why the tsunami happen, taking away thousands and thousand of lives. God is suppose to be an omnipotent and benevolent deity right? So why is there war, hunger, sickness... ? Human tragedies are concrete proof that God is not all that powerful after all. If he is so, he would have prevented our pain right?

That I have no answer. But I recalled reading this book by Dan Brown, entitled Angels and Demons.

Wendy, picture yourself as a mother of a 10 year old son, let's call him Smell Good.

Now, will you love Smell Good?

Of course.Would you do everything in your power to prevent Smell Good from pain?

Of course.Will you let Smell Good roller blade?

Sure. Why not? But of course I'll tell Smell Good to be careful.What if Smell Good fell and broke his arm?

Smell Good will learn to be careful next time.So you see, as Smell Good's mother, although you have the power to interfere and prevent him from pain, you choose to let him learn his own mistake.

Pain is part and parcel of life. It's how we learn and grow.

After this horrific disaster that struck Asia, tsunami warning centres will be set up I have no doubt bout that. Who know's that might save 5 million lives in the year 2106.
Jordan Goh said…
Oh yeah.

Forgot to add this.

I'm not sure if you considered my comments preaching or not. I hope you dont delete if even if you think it is.

That's all I ask.

Happy New Year. :)
Sammy said…
Religion is the result of fear.
Daniel said…
jordangoh, your logic is sibeh warped.

For a god who 'loves his children' so much, it is amazing that he will kill so many of them just to make the rest learn a lesson. Since he is so 'omnipotent', why stop the tsunamis from happening in the first place? no one dies. no need for any bizarre lesson.



ponderouspontifications.blogspot.com
Ricky Chua said…
Nonchristian: "Eh why your GOD kill so many in tsunami?"

Christian: "Because GOD has his reasons."

Nonchristian: "If your GOD make earth, then who make Universe?"

Christian: "GOD also lah! See? He so power!"

Nonchristian: "Then GOD make humans but humans come from monkey? GOD make aliens since Universe so big? GOD make EVERYTHING?!?!?!"

Christian: "Ya ya!! You finally get it! GOD is super powerful!"



Typical conversation where it doesn matter how you enlighten a Christian that GOD doesn't exist... It's USELESS.

They've been brainwashed.



GOD did not create HUMANS.

It's HUMANS that created GOD.
ironyv said…
Hi xiaxue, think is the first time posting a comment on your blog...

Anyway, I am not a christian, and I understand how you feel about pestering christians and all the religion stuff...just think that your blog is tactful enough ;)

Happy new year!~

and best wishes to the tsunami victims...
cake said…
With reference to that guy who's talking about god creating everything...

then, may i ask, what created god??? or who???

www.xanga.con/jieling00
ok...first of all, smelly is just 11....he could grow out of it or realize when he is 18 dat charismatic christianity will not help him get laid....or he could become a great anthropologist or archeologist and marry some tribal native....but just be glad dat ur smelly is not as stupid as some of these moronic christians posting down here....u shld panic when he reaches 15 or 16...

hey the part on chao-keng-ing during church is a good idea....maybe u can chao-keng dat the lord told u dat the government is evil or sumfin....or u can pretend u are possesed by the spirit of some former ISA detainee seeking justice (try dis in a catholic church for better effect!)

its funny when some of my guy frens tell me they go to church for the girls...knn...wot use ? the girls are soo into these moralistic shits they won't sleep wif u neway !

dun mind me speaking my mind, but middle-class charismatic christianity in singapore is probably the lamest way to understand our own discontentments and the problems facing our society which are largely brought about by our own social, cultural, political and economic history........

either way if u change ur mind abt jesus, feel free to find him at: http://no-wicked-can-reign.blogspot.com

p.s. ease up on the Tsunami thing - i think being hit by a tsunami is a good enuff excuse to start praying...
Lancer said…
haha yur attitude rocks!!! :) stand to yur belief! :) :P opps did i offend some christians out dere? I hope not.
well ,i agree thorougly with you on views.y does christians always want to convert other ppl ?do they even respect our religion ?

i have some experiences where friends have always persuaded me to convert (im a buddhist) they said somehting like the feeling when converted is something u wil rmb for life. many have confirmed this. but thing is, im happy being a buddhist wat. wat for go convert?!?!?! siao ar. later ppl ask me go convert to islam or hindi, then i must convert meh ?!?!

on the tsunami thing. one of them said something which made sense to me. tot i'll share it here. he said, god gave singapore a purpose. thats y we r place here- in this strategic location, where indonesia adn malaysia wil block us from most natural disaster like this tsunami. our purpose is Christianity. notice that we r the only asian country which have christianity as one of our core religion. yah. because of this, he protect us and gave us this island.

made sense? yes,indeed. but a bit legendary lyk that. i found this " story" interesting, but sadly (to christianss)i dun reeli believe it. got this sorta thign meh? oh well. watever.

to al christians; some ppl like me are happy with the religion we have, be it hindi, buddhism or free thinker. ask us once enuff lah. dun keep pesterin us hor. irritating pests, bah.

im happy being a buddhist. =)
sc said…
Having gone through several bible study in my youth (in addition to other religions' outreach), i have a conclusion - the dictionary is more believable - at the very least it gets updated every now and then.

It's a free world, believe in whatever is in your comfort zone - but do not shaft it down other people's throat.

Way to go, Wendy!
Mark said…
On most early Sunday mornings, my mother will gently wake me up and gradually harass me into accompanying her to church.

I will tell her, with my most polite and courteous manners, that if I dont want to go to church, even God cannot force me to.

Reading this post has struck a raw nerve regarding the hustling tactics employed by Christian acquaitances, onto the fellow readers and you. Maybe they have a genuine concern for others, but they need to know when to accept a no and avoid being too pushy.

By the way, I am sure there will be other Christians who are not like that. Maybe you havent had the chance to meet them.
Dexter said…
This entry is interesting. Eh, they are showing some stupid show on TV now where the girl commits suicicde by ramming her head into a pillar in the palace. Must be a Shu Nu. Oh yah, the entry! Erh...i think just let Smelly be lah, worst come to worst he will probably take the path to becoming a morally better person rather than a suicide bomber.
spatick said…
This post wins award for most comments eva!

Good songs to listen to while reading thru the very interesting variety of comments:

Rick Price - Only Heaven Knows
Bette Midler - From a distance (God is Watching Us, god is watching us, god is waatching uss...)
Beatles - Let it Be (Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom, let it be)
REM - Losing my religion
Joan Osborne - What if God is one of us (just a slob like one of us)
Bryan Adams - Heaven (DJ Sammy also can)
Stevie Wonder - Heaven help us

After all this arguments, I hope everyone remembers the quote from a well renowned TV personality:

"I love you, you love me, we're a happy family"
- Barney the dinosaur

People of all religions/non-religions, hand in hand all together now, we can sing these songs together and think what a wonderful world we all live in and live happily ever after. Or perhaps not.

"I never believed in Hell before, until I met my wife"
FuX0r3d said…
Sup xiaxue.

Know what?

May your kids be albino and have random down-syndrome. With bits of mutant cells inherited from you.

And burn in Hell. Eternally.

NOW listen carefully you ungrateful bitch.

Bible and YOU are the PROVE that God exist.

Explain how the universe and it all began. Explain why human body is in this form. Explain why your soul landed onto this body and not others. Explain la.

These are universal mysteries since Man exist. No one living ever holds the Truth to these questions.

Therefore God DOES exist. No shit.

The universe cannot suddenly be created out of NOTHING. And Man cannot suddenly be created out of NOTHING. Logic.

SOMEONE designed and created the space, planets and Mankind.

Look at yourself. Look at your hands. Move your fingers. Simply amazing. Indeed, the human body is the most sophisticated and amazing structure and creature ever created. And it is perfect.

God loves his own creation and created Man in his own image. His perfect image.

Why are human and animals called CREATures? Because we're the products of a CREATion. Apparently.

Proofs that God exists are everywhere around you. You better think HARD if you don't know what i meant. There IS a God and you KNOW it deep deep down. You're just trying to play hard to get (lol?) with tons of excuses and maybe be indifferent. Sometimes you're a joke. Haha.

Hmm i'm sure you've got 1001 ideas to counter what i've said. Well i don't care. Aight got things to do. Hope you'll get it someday. Later.
aditya liviandi said…
heh,...
i'm a christian myself, and i do feel that sometimes (heck, a lot of times) the fundamentalists kind of misses the point.

if you check the bible, there are these kinds of people, who knows the scriptures very well, knows all the laws, but they're full of shite (brand name, Pharisees). Apparently Jesus really hated all the hypocrisy and all the self righteousness, and he kept on comparing them with sinners (meaning, those that you can obviously see as being eeevul, like murderers and stuff), and bluntly said that the Pharisees are worst.

Thing is, i believe that this whole God thing, is personal. Frankly, the only one who can convince you that Christianity is right or wrong or whatever is yourself.

Heck, even the bible says so, the whole i stand in front of the door and knocks thing (rev 3:20 for those nitpickers who always wants bloody references to doublecheck), really highlights the whole situation clearly. The verse said, "if anyone hears my voice and opens the door", not "them other guys who've opened their doors will come barging in yours".

so i don't know,... evangelising is good. in fact, it is commanded, but it is really just telling people the good news, not forcing it to them... and anything that you discover on your own, you'll have bigger faith in it. just like any physics stuff,... when you do the experiment yourself, instead of being rambled on by your teachers, you'll figure it out better...

so i guess, i think you should tell your brother to read more. read both sides of the argument, and to really question him on his motives in going to church. cause if it's peer pressure, i think it's not right...
aditya liviandi said…
from innocence enlarged
*snip*
notice that we r the only asian country which have christianity as one of our core religion. yah. because of this, he protect us and gave us this island.
*snip*

um, whoever you heard that from, ask him/her to get his facts right. indonesia acknowledges these religions as the core religions (as in, legally accepted), buddhism, catholicism, christianity, hinduism, islam, freethinkers (yeah this one is technically not a religion i know,...), and recently confucianism. so point is really a bit invalid.
redrown said…
Sup xiaxue.

Know what?

May your kids be albino and have random down-syndrome. With bits of mutant cells inherited from you.

And burn in Hell. Eternally.

>>Just another example of why so many people are anti-Xtian. Do you realise that people like YOU are the cause? How can you even say such things and still expect people to respect you?

NOW listen carefully you ungrateful bitch.

>>No, you STFU. No one called you or your God names. I don't think you should do the same.

Bible and YOU are the PROVE that God exist.

>>Bible has been proven inaccurate so many times. But of course you are blind to it, reading selectively and shutting out the many inconsistencies. Naturally. Reason does not exist in one who chooses to be blind.

Explain how the universe and it all began. Explain why human body is in this form. Explain why your soul landed onto this body and not others. Explain la.

>>The Universe began because of the Big Bang. The Human Body is in this form because of EVOLUTION. The Soul didn't LAND into the body, it is a product of our consciousness and hence it was borne together with our physical self. La is a product of a Singaporean's Singlish.

These are universal mysteries since Man exist. No one living ever holds the Truth to these questions.

Therefore God DOES exist. No shit.

Even if these theories are not accurate, what makes you so sure GOD exists?

>>No shit? U are the shit. This kind of warped logic is akin to saying: “I don't know the answer to my exam question, so therefore God exists?”

The universe cannot suddenly be created out of NOTHING. And Man cannot suddenly be created out of NOTHING. Logic.

>>Ya and so going by your flawed logic GOD Can't be created out of nothing.

SOMEONE designed and created the space, planets and Mankind.

>>And that someone has to be GOD? Could it be Spongebob Squarepants by any chance?

Look at yourself. Look at your hands. Move your fingers. Simply amazing. Indeed, the human body is the most sophisticated and amazing structure and creature ever created. And it is perfect.

>>It is NOT perfect. What is perfection anyway? Look at a bird. Look at it soaring in the sky. Look at its beak. I can claim that is the perfect image as well.

God loves his own creation and created Man in his own image. His perfect image.

>>How do you know what God looks like? Are you as omnipotent as him or just merely impotent? And don't give the shit that the bible said so.

Why are human and animals called CREATures? Because we're the products of a CREATion. Apparently.

>>Because humans called them CREATURES. Not God. Does a dog call itself a dog? No. Humans call it a dog.

Proofs that God exists are everywhere around you. You better think HARD if you don't know what i meant. There IS a God and you KNOW it deep deep down. You're just trying to play hard to get (lol?) with tons of excuses and maybe be indifferent. Sometimes you're a joke. Haha.

>>You are the joke, except that you don't realise it. Deep deep down you KNOW there isn't a God and you are just using His name to hide your insecurities and display your uncivilized bigotry. Right now at this point, even your fellow christians are cringing at your words.

Hmm i'm sure you've got 1001 ideas to counter what i've said. Well i don't care. Aight got things to do. Hope you'll get it someday. Later.

>>Of course you don't care. That is the common reaction to someone who refuses to listen to the voice of reason and just wallow in his pathetic, shallow world of self-delusion. Sure you have things to do. I suggest you start by “waking up your idea”. You are giving your fellow xtians a bad name.
sandy said…
i have been born and bred in a christian family. i have stopped going to church for the previous years because i was disgusted at the way some church goers behave. but recently i have came upon a revelation that i should look to God and not man.

if man were all that perfect, we should be seated next to God by now

how can we use our logic and common sense to fathom the way God works. if by using logic and common sense, shouldn't we then become God or His equal?

everyone speaks of God as though they know Him but infact what we know is only a fraction of the truth.

if Christianity is really full of contradictions and bullshit, why is it still the largest religion in the world?
The Blue Ark said…
My conversations with christians are sometimes short.

Me: How come god did xxxxx?

Xtian: Man do not know the ways of god.

Me: Then why you act like you know god better than me.

Xtian: ...

Xtian: You spawn of satan! NooooOOooo you are trying to corrupt my innocent ears!! I will not listen to your evil!!
Daniel said…
FuXOr3d is another example of a hysterical Xtian with nothing substantive. He thinks God created everything? I think it is the ALIEN from planet Zorg! Ok, maybe, evolution.


Sandy: Santa Claus is fake, but why do so many kids still believe in him?
redrown said…
Haiz, why do I always fall into this trap? I have already wasted a few hours of my life answering to fundamentalists of all kinds on the internet and on the streets but still I try to reason with clueless people.

Firstly, Sandy, u speak of God as if everyone here automatically believes in his existence. Well NEWS FLASH: Some people do NOT belief in GOD, others have a totally DIFFERENT concept of God to the narrow one you take.

Christianity IS full of contradictions and bullshit and it is a large religion because people practise blind faith, which means they IGNORE such contradictions and choose to see what they want to see.

AND another reason why Christianity is so popular: Think about it: A saviour, sacrificing for all of us: Now isn't that inspirational. Now for more inspirational tales please see Samson and Moses among others. That is one reason. The other reason is because the recruiters play to the fears, and the psyche of people. In other words, they are manipulated into becoming Christians.

These of course, apply to only the fundamentalists. Most Christians adopt the religion because of its good values.

No one says that Man has the answer. But just because Man does not have the answer does not mean that God exists nor does God have the answer.

Gettit now? Nope. Never will.
redrown said…
Hey, kindred, we post simultaneously again! heheh
Daniel said…
hey man this is getting too spooky! LOL!
Agagooga said…
"if man were all that perfect, we should be seated next to God by now"
???

"how can we use our logic and common sense to fathom the way God works. if by using logic and common sense, shouldn't we then become God or His equal?"
Your god is a logical impossibility, so we know he doesn't exist. If logical impossibilities can exist, why not have other gods conjured into existence?

"if Christianity is really full of contradictions and bullshit, why is it still the largest religion in the world?"
People are stupid. It's like how people used to think the world was flat.

Anyhow, demographically speaking, Islam is going to overtake Christianity sometime this millennium. So I can assume it is the true religion.

If Christianity is so true, why is it losing mindshare in many places? Freethinkers are growing in number in most countries with many Christians.
Han said…
sandy:

"if Christianity is really full of contradictions and bullshit, why is it still the largest religion in the world?"


err... I think you'll be wrong on this one, for 2 reasons.

Firstly, Christianity is NOT the largest religion in the world. I can't remember the exact statistics, but I'm pretty sure it's not Christianity.

Secondly, just because everyone thinks something is correct does not necessarily mean that they are.

Are you going to insist that the earth is flat? Or that the Sun orbits around the earth?
Daniel said…
Man, are we dogged or what! Heheh
Anyway, you guys should be sleeping! gd nite!
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